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Also, one of the best live bands I've ever seen (Skynd) are doing Bloodstock. Well worth a look.

Never been, but I did see Meshuggah last year, it'll be worth it for them alone. If you look up Meshuggah crowds specifically it's usually pretty tame, mostly people in awe, the weird time signatures and polyrhythms probably make it harder for your average person to follow and bounce correctly to.

Trials? Fashion? Ha!

After all the advice you were given last time you went and put the same weak caliper on the same flimsy adapter and got the same result? I'm stunned. Do you have money to buy a Saint brake every week but not £7 to buy a capable adapter? At this point you deserve it. Instead of questioning every experienced opinion you're offered, what about actually taking the advice? It's usually the same few people posting this topic and I contribute to nearly all of them. It's really quite a simple fix if you LISTEN. Also, I have never broken a caliper or an adapter. Just saying.

This, it really doesn't benefit most people, they just see the elite do it and assume it's the key. I'm pretty sure it hinders most riders.

Had one briefly on the front, too skinny. Unless you weigh the same as a child and have your tyres at 50psi I'd avoid.

No, but I promise it'll ride like shit. It was one of those trials/dirt jump/slalom/DH/drag racing frames that was good at nothing.

You'd choose less power over a £5 adapter? I have never, ever broken an adapter. It's not something you should use forever anyway. I promise that frame will crack before a beefy adapter will.

Cheers all. I do already have new valves, tape and sealant so it'll just be one insert, I'll try and get some closed-cell foam first and make my own. I did have a stretched, rattly insert inside my other wheel and it was killing me to know it was just banging about sounding like crap, so I had to take it straight out and cut it down. So I'd rather avoid one that's prone to stretching.

The modern Shimano calipers just don't seem up to trials related forces. But yes your adapter is awful too and allows a lot of flex. You could probably bend it apart by hand, imagine what a hard landing could do. Hayes, Hope, anything with some meat on it.

I forgot... Best insert choice/price? I've seen the prices of some of the top ones and I'm not paying that for a piece of foam, but I also don't want dents. Is pipe lagging too soft?

Cheers. I've used them for a while but only with tubes, and I have my tyres a bit softer than most who ride similar things. I've also got the Light Bicycle carbon rims and they're so good I was just worried The Spike 33s would be a bit skinny, mainly with 90 degree gaps etc. Sounds like it'll work though. I use inserts on the back. I used to Love a Stiffy 40al on the rear but I just can't justify the weight. Hope's Wider rim looks good but again, too heavy. I'm about a decade behind the trends and advancements so I'm just trying to get things as light as possible.

Was it ideal on the rear though? Guessing you changed for a reason.

They're not the widest rims, pretty minimal for street. Has anyone used them tubeless? I'd rather get wider rims if they're gonna cause tyres to flop about.

Compressionless outer cables are a must on cable discs, or any cable brake.

Might also be worth noting I've never had a Hope brake with even movement from each piston, there's always a lazy one. Shimano are the opposite, I can line the caliper up by eye, perfect pad spacing, bolt it up and it's perfect.

I'm definitely a fan of heavier, stiffer calipers if that's a big contributing factor to flex. I love the feel of Shimanos, but there are several other factors I don't love which means they're not an option. Listening to the podcast now, pretty interesting yeah, I'm guessing master cyliner pistons can't go much smaller than the new 9.5mm until they start to bend/flex? Also we're probably all using Jitsie/TT pads which I'm guessing are softer than mtb focused compounds. I recently upgraded to full Goodridge braided hoses on both bikes and I did notice a slight increase in stiffness, on HS33s I actually found the opposite, plastic hoses always felt stiffer to me. With the TZ lever, and also old Tech and mini levers I've lubed the pushrods, brass barrel, every contact point around there and I got the creak to temporarily go but it never lasted long. I'm pretty ocd for greasing things and making them smooth and quiet but I gave up there, seems like a design issue or too many moving parts and contact points, this TZ lever was 9/10 condition too. I have four Tech 3 levers of varying ages and they're all silent.

That chart is really cool too, never knew any of that!

My Tech 3 E4 front is absolutely Rock solid, the Tech 3 rear on Trial Zone Caliper on the same bike is a bit soft by comparison. Every Hope brake I bleed I always take the reservoir cap off at least twice, a few days after bleeding it to pump every last bit of air out of it, it does make a difference. I can see my TZ rear Caliper flex when I pull the lever, the longer, lower E4 doesn't do this. Also, I had a Trial Zone lever very recently, didn't like it, felt very flimsy and had that stupid creak you get on the lower end and older Hope levers. Tech 3 are better in every way except weight.

Nice one, cheers! Yeah I'll have a read of that in a bit. The Bore cap does look unnecessarily big. It was a full Tech lever rear brake with braided hose for £50, can't complain, I did havean X2 to try but heard it's basically the weakest one.

Nice, so are they pretty similar? Any reasons the Trial Zone is better for trials other than pad choice?

Anyone ever used one for trials? The pistons are massive compared to a Trial Zone, and I read a lot of mountain bikers saying they're overkill. 

I have a rear Pro 2 ss/t with the same crack, used it for over a year with a 203mm rotor, tightens up fully and has never gotten worse. Don't worry about it.

After two rides I have a bearing that needs replacing, cool.

I have a Tech 3 E4 front and Tech 3 Trial rear, both set up and bled as perfectly as I can, the E4 is noticeably firmer. I'd love some Tech 4 levers but just can't justify the cost. Good to know they're another step up though.