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Cheers GAZZA! How and where can I order? Do you ship to South Africa? IS there a website I can research a bit on regarding these frames (Price)? ( GEO and BB Sizes etc)? Comparing these frames to the other "Popular" brands like Onza, Koxx etc, how strong are these frames compared?And associated weight? LOOKS BLOODY AMAZING!

Why can't I see the pics? Can't even see the pics in the link in the first post.... I HAVE TO SEE THE PICS!!!!

Real nice bike there Adam - I know it's quite late though How is the Limey treating you so far? I'm considering getting one, but just doing some research about the frame? Any thoughts regarding if I should get one based on strength etc? GEO is awesome, just not sure about it's strength...? Looks good

Real sweet looking bike there! When did you get the frame? Where did you get it from? I'm considering getting a Limey 3, how is it performing thus far? The design and looks of the frame is probably the best in my opinion, but I've come across some that have cracked etc... Does your's have the hole in the frame for the brake line?Because that's where the cracked.. So would you recommend it from your experience? Cheers dude

Dave, really nice bike man!! I'm in the process of buying a frame in the next 3 weeks and seriously considering going for the Limey 3. Please give some feedback and info regarding the frame?Strengt, GEO etc.. Thanks!

Canard, i'm really considering going for the Onza Limey, how did your frame crack? So would you not recommend it? PLEASE give some feedback regarding the Limey! Also, how is the Control treating you compared to the LImey?

Canardweb I'm seriously considering getting the Onza Limey 3 in the next 3 weeks, what exactly happened to it to cause it to crack? Would you recommend this frame? Or should I stay away? Damn, I really like this frame, awesome GEO and looks the business! What frame did you go for?

Really sweet bike JT - Glad to see you made a plan with the "length deficiency"! Got any idea how much it weighs? What's your wheelbase as it's set at the moment? What's your GEO as per pic?

Yup, that's the Idea, try and save some weight on parts that are not likely to break as a result of the weight saving! I'll definitely change the Louise for the Hope Mono (Don't know if the Hope Carbon Ti is owrth the extra cash), go for the Try Al Super Light cage pedals and change to the Try All 3D forged stem. The thing is I don't really like the Yaabaa at all, the Rockman ISIS is quite appealing to me, very nice GEO, and it looks much better than the Yaabaa! All those frames are relatively the same weight, but unfortunately I don't have a clue how strong those frames are...? So at this stage I just need to know which frames are most likely going to break, and which ones are the stronger of the group..Onza Limey 3,Rockman ISIS,Yaabaa, ECHO Control (Any other recommendations?) SO: Seems like a 1095 - 1100; 35 -45 and 380 would suit me best?, and noticed most riders prefer a GEO similar to that. 1. Onza Limey 3 --- Might be a little too short, don't know if it is strong enough (No one seems to know if it's a strong frame) th GEO seems fine though? - TOP OF MY LIST IN THE LOOKS DEPARTMENT 2. Yaabaa --- Don't like the Yaabaa (Ugly Colour and very thin tubing makes it look flimsy) Although people seem to be quite pleased with it... Seems like a budget frame and can afford something a little bit "better" 3. ROckam ISIS --- Probably second in the LOOKS DEPARTMENT, really nice Geometry -- Don't know if it's going to be strong???? 4. ECHO Control --- Geometry also good, looks average --- People seem to be fairly please with it and it's quite light (Also don't know what the strength is like?) SO strength is very important to me! Any advice on strength on these frames? The Yaabaa would probably be the best "All Rounder" by the sound of the opinions, but what's the next best option, not sacrificing strength at all?

Thank's for that PTB Why exactly would you choose the Zoo over the Yaabaa, besides the fact that you've got one...What does the GEO feel like?And compared to the Zoo? I'm starting to lean towards the Yaabaa, it looks very strong and stiff, but that's purely based on looks though.

Scotty, that frame is one seriously good looking frame! Love the minimal graphics and the beefy look!! PLease don't go and put lame stickers on it! If you've had a couple of rides on it, which I'm sure you have, how does it handle? I know it's a 1090,but wonder how much of a difference a 1100 frame would make.Reason for asking is I'm undecided between the Rockman Isis and this awesome looking Onza Limey..The Rockman ISIS is 1100 and 45 BB height. What is your height because I'm 6.1" and the Onza might be too short for me? Also some say the Rockman is not as strong as this Onza... What do you think I should go for? Again, awesome looking bike!

My apologies if this might be a slight high jack, but think it's relevant... Adam, whilst you here, I've sent an email to Tarty Bikes with some questions as I'm looking at buying a complete bike from Tarty's in the next 3 weeks, but haven't received anything back yet. So here is a very condensed version: Looking at the "Try All Bike Kit" - Would it be possible to change some of the components in the kit and obviously just pay the difference - I'm wanting to upgrade some of the parts? And secondly, is there not any type of discount for big orders with regard to shipping? I'm in SA and the shipping alone is 150 Pounds for a possible 1300 Pounds order?

Rockman ISIS -- I quite like the Rockman's geo, especially since I'm 6.1'' I would think that I wouldn't be comfortable on a shorter GEO bike (The ROckman is 1100,38 and 45 which sounds like a nice package all together.??). But in previous posts I have read, some members actually say that the "Rockman's break too easily compared to the Onza Limey 3". The frame does look nice though! Yabbaa -- Don't know a lot about the frame, can anyone give some feedback about it's geo and strength etc? I would think that the triangular tubing gives good rigidity! I read somewhere on the forum that people are quite pleased with it... Thank's for the advice , would like some concrete comparisons though between the frames in the list that you guys are familiar with. Thanks for the Validation HDMACK! We'll, the Onza Ice frame isn't on Tarty Bikes,and As I've said before, I'll have to vhoose from what available at Tarty's... I assume then that a Horizontal drop out Frame would be the wiser choice then...? Don't know about you all, but the Onza Limey 3 really does it for me!!! DO you guys think I should rather post this topic in the Trials Chat section, might get some more exposure there Thank's to you too Duncan.

Anyone? Which frames do you guys prefer from my list of possible frames, regardless of the price...Most importantly it must be strong without major weight compromise.

Thanks JT -- In the Try All kit, I am considering changing the following (Obviously the changes don't come free, would you say the changes are worth the extra money and a good change at that?): 1. Try All Rage BAr 09 to Try All Carbon Series (It's quite a bit wider and about half the weight) 2. Try All Aluminium Cage Pedals to Try All Ti MAgnesium Cage Pedals (Also half the weight) 3. Considering changing the MAgura Louise to Hope Mono Trial (Possibly 180 or 200 Rotor Size?) 4. The Try All Reinforced rim (REAR) to Onza Comp Series (They a bit lighter, but don't know if they are actually stronger?) As for the Frame choices: 1. Onza Limey 3 (Really Like the look of the frame, but don't know if it's strong and durable) 2. Yabaa Stinger 3. Zoo Piranha (Same Geo as Onza) 4. Rockman ISIS I don't know if I should go for a VErt Drop Out or Horizontal -- Most people seem to be leaning towards horizontal?Would I not actually use a snail cam on a horizontal drop out, and would I need some type of tensioner with a hor. drop out?

That's not really an option for me for the following reasons: 1. Only people that can be trusted for importing is a reputable dealer 2. I want a practically new bike, if it's going to be second hand, it must be basically brand new 3. There are a lot of people that are not to trust, especially if I'm all the way in SA. But you're absolutely right, I'll probably save 50% on the same spec bike, but second hand. The problem is there aren't that many 26" high spec bikes for sale on here second hand in any case, then comes the massive trust issue if I were to buy second hand. I've got no insurance or guarantee that I'll even get the bike if I buy second hand.. Besides, I've got the money to buy brand new and it's just not worth the risk to me to buy second hand,maybe if I lived in the UK... But that's why I need Info on bike specs because I don't want to make a mistake and have to import again etc... Seems like it's a bit too much to ask for some good advice... Thank's anyway AD! I would consider importing a second hand bike if a reputable dealer handled everything, I'll save a sh!t load of money!

Thanks for comments thus far. But not quite what I expected, over 14000 members and only 3 short responses... COME ON PEOPLE, I'M IN NEED OF SOME GOOD ADVICE I'm leaning towards the following: Try All Bike Kit Onza Limey 3 Frame -- I will be changing the Try All Rage bars for the Carbon bars, change the Try All reinforced rims for the Onza competition rims (Think they are stronger and also lighter) and changing for the Try All Ti Magnesium cage pedals, What do you guys think?

UPDATE: Made a typo in my post: Try All Bike Kit - 690 Pounds Budget +- 1300 Pounds Possible bike - (Try All Bike Kit(690) or a bit more for better components + Frame(400)) - Or component make up and frame of +- 1300 Pounds? See first post for questions.

Hi Guys I have introduced myself in the "Introduce Yourself" thread and now I need quite a few answers to a lot of questions!Hope you guys can help out! (Sorry for the very long post!) I've got a couple of questions all the way from South Africa - I'm looking to import a 26'' Trials bike, only from Tarty Bikes and need some much needed advice. I grew up on seated 26" Trials bikes, I've got a DMR Sidekick at the moment with all the ''spec" bits and pieces but feel that it's time for an upgrade as the bike is about 6 years old and the technology is just way too old (Rear freewheel, heavy, too narrow bars, seated and poor geo does not help an average out of practice rider )(Been out of trials for about 5 years).Alot has changed in 6 years and thus I need some good advice for my new bike!Obviously this bike is going to be imported and dont want to have to order again in a years time.Please assist (advise): 1. I am wanting to treat myself with a brand new 26" Trials bike in the next month but would like to get something that is quite top spec to very high spec. I am approximately 83 Kg's and 6.1'' tall. I don't know if this would assist your advice. 2. Use to ride urban street trials and will continue to do so 3. Budget - I've got a budget of about 1300 Pounds (R16 000) including postage to SA - I obviously want to try and save some money where I can, if I can, and hopefully you can advise me accordingly. Now: I have looked through Tarty Bikes and all of their fully built bikes and there are quite a few brands and component mixes to choose from however, I have noticed that a big saving can be made if one buys the "Try All" 26 " (6900 Pounds) Bike kit and frame (400 Pounds) compared to buying a complete bike of the same specification (1500 Pounds).(Please only refer to Tarty Bikes as it is the only website with dependable shipping) 1. How good is the component make up in the Try All Bike kit? Are they focused on being light or strong/Or both. I obviously want something that is nice and light, but don't want to sacrifice strength and durability. 2. Which frames would complement these components?Not sacrificing weight. Would I go for a horizontal drop out or vertical? What are the advantages and disadvantages compared? 3. I noticed that most 26" riders go for a 1100mm bike, 380 chainstay, but what BB Height would you recommend?How would a 55 - 60 mm impact my riding? Or should I go fro a modest 25-35 BB height? 4. I see that the Try All kit comes with a snail cam, does that only work on horizontal drop outs? I assume then that the sprung chain tensioners can only be used on frames with vert drop outs? 5. Which setup would be the best?Vert or horizontal?Which type of tensioner? 6. I'm currently running maggies front and rear but too much time is wasted wanting that snap brake power and hold, I have noticed some riders on the forum saying they prefer a disc at the back (They recommend the Hope Mono Trial?) --- Which would you recommend?Maggie at the back or Disc?Which Disc Brake and what rotor size? - - Is a dual disc bike a good option? Which is strongest at the back? 7. Would the Handlebar and stem setup in the Try All kit suit my length etc? I noticed the Try All rage bars are 27" wide, would a 29 or 30" wide bar not be better?Stability etc wise? I would also like to compare the Try All kit with a custom make up of components, also high spec, but lack the product knowledge to do so, I am also afraid of frame/component compatibility issues (Horizontal/Vert dropouts/ Rear frame disc mounts on frame for running rear disc/Width of dropouts - 135mm? etc) How are the Ecko components compared to the Try All components? With the above said and asked, please advise accordingly what I should do.Should I gor for the Try All kit, which frame? Or choose individual components and frame?Dual Disc?Vert or horizontal drop outs?Chain tensioners? What option would give me the most for my money (Buying Fully Built bike/Try All kit and Frame or separate components and frame - But need to know exactly which components to take and which frame! MY APOLOGIES FOR THE 101 QUESTIONS!!! BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERT ADVICE ON MY NEW BIKE - Thanks Guys!!!

Hi Guys and Gals (If there are any on a Trials Forum) My greetings come all the way from South Africa in Port Elizabeth (And no, I don't have a lion in my backyard ). We'll a bit about myself since this is what it's all about: I started riding trials on a small frame Giant with vee's etc in 1995. I then upgraded to a "Full High Spec" Trials bike (Or what was considered a proper Trials bike back in the D) in 2000. That was when I lived in Bloemfontein in SA. We were about 5 guys doing Trials and probably some of the first people doing Trials in SA, believe it or not!Competed in quite a number of comps through the years. We'll in 2001 I moved to Port Elizabeth and got a big shock, only 1 person doing trials here!!Shocking. Most of the time I found myself going on rides alone and needles to say it did not last long!Even though I lived to ride, and rode to live, It only lasted till 2002/3 riding alone most of the time (Sadly the 1 person that did trials here passed away back in 2002). So I ended up having to quit and stop riding because it's just not the same riding alone, no matter how much you like doing Trials! O and I'm 24. I will be moving to Cape Town for my Masters in Engineering in a months time and luckily there is a very big trials community there!Finally!!So I have decided to go full steam ahead with Trials again!Very excited!!! My Bike -- I'm riding the bike a purchased way back in the day, it's still in very good nick, but it's way outdated!!! DMR Sidekick, XTR Front Hub, XTR Rear Hub, Mavic D521 Rims, New Maxxis DH Minion Tyres bought, FSA Orbit Extreme Headset bought, seated and running 3 gears at the back - Free hub obviously, Maggie's front and rear, Azonic bars and Kore stem (Old School but it's very neat). We'll I bought this bike about 8 years ago and it was TOP SPEC, it's about below bottom spec now!! So I have decided that I will be treating myself to a brand new 26" in the next month. I will probably be importing one from Tarty Bikes but need ALOT of info!I have spent about 2 weeks getting up to scratch about the "new" developments in Trials (A lot has changed in 6 Years!!) I'm hoping all the Trials experts here can give me some much needed advice for my new Trials bike (Try and keep lingo to a minimum as I am only starting to familiarize myslef with all the new names - Grew up with Brisa's etc, see there are still some Pashley's around) I'm not sure if this topic is the right place to post all my new bike questions? I've got quite a few questions and have read just about everything on this Forum, but need some more info... APOLOGIES TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO READ THIS ESSAY!!! Cheers and thank's guys!