Manufacturers.......this Is What We Want!

[murph82]

The splined freewheel thread made me think. Everyone said it was great, to me , aside from production implications it seemed obvious, but did anyone actually tell atomz its what we wanted? The idea of this thread is to post up ideas for stuff that we want that we cant get and why. No stupid suggestions of anti - gravity tyres etc please. My suggestion is to stop making bashrings for screw on cranks in only 18t. 22t would be good to! I'd prefer a rear set up but when a decent hub can cost as much as a whole singlespeed wheel my budget means its ffw set up as i've got tensile trials cranks so the freewheel has to go on the front as i cant get a ring for the cranks to protect a bigger chainring. Also i'm not really happy about a trouser munching, ankle busting chain constantly moving. Between the rear brake and the fw its arguably the most confidence building part on the bike so to take it away from where it can be subject to impact and possible damage and putting it on the rear wheel where its quite safe and unlikely to ever get struck would make a lot of sense to me?!

Edited December 23, 2010 by murph82

[WIGAN ??]

if you want to run rear frewheel you can ...., although ther is little choice of freewheel though, you cant just put the freewheel on the back it throws the whole gearing out youd have to run some thing like a 24 on the front and its rare to see a 16t freewheel thesedays and what are mod riders supposed to do run a 30t ?, just wouldnt work unless someone can come up with a good quality 13, 14 tooth frewheel

[Mark W]

My suggestion is to stop making bashrings for screw on cranks in only 18t. 22t would be good to! I'd prefer a rear set up but when a decent hub can cost as much as a whole singlespeed wheel my budget means its ffw set up as i've got tensile trials cranks so the freewheel has to go on the front as i cant get a ring for the cranks to protect a bigger chainring. Also i'm not really happy about a trouser munching, ankle busting chain constantly moving. Between the rear brake and the fw its arguably the most confidence building part on the bike so to take it away from where it can be subject to impact and possible damage and putting it on the rear wheel where its quite safe and unlikely to ever get struck would make a lot of sense to me?!

The 'problem' with that is that there isn't really all that much demand for them. Rear freewheels are pretty good, but just not many people run them and people are too interested in lightweight products. It's pretty much impossible to make a setup as light as a FFW setup with a rear freewheel. People want what's light, so that's what companies make. Inspired have made their 23t bashring and that gradually became popular when people began to realise the benefits of it, but that's been discontinued now as the Inspireds come with Truvativ cranks as standard now.

if you want to run rear frewheel you can ...., although ther is little choice of freewheel though, you cant just put the freewheel on the back it throws the whole gearing out youd have to run some thing like a 24 on the front and its rare to see a 16t freewheel thesedays and what are mod riders supposed to do run a 30t ?, just wouldnt work unless someone can come up with a good quality 13, 14 tooth frewheel

Trialtech, Try-All and V!Z all make 16t freewheels you could run on the back. They seem to hold out reasonably well on there from the ones we've sold to customers. But yeah, like you said, not really an option for mod...

[AdamR28]

Inspired have made their 23t bashring and that gradually became popular when people began to realise the benefits of it, but that's been discontinued now as the Inspireds come with Truvativ cranks as standard now.

I believe they have a 22T setup in the pipeline

[Theta2]

If you're looking to run a rear freewheel, just do what I did and get a set of middleburns? I'm currently running 22/18 with Middleburns and an Echo SL on the back

[Matt Vandart]

I do believe you can get a lighter set up with rear freehub but I can't remember the combination of bits that make it up.

[Mark W]

Potentially, but I'd imagine that'd revolve (no pun intended) around a King build with all the trimmings - a similar weight FFW setup would cost a hell of a lot less.

[Phatmike]

Nice idea for a thread. I'll be keeping a good eye here that's for sure!

I've been beavering away on ideas for a while and now am finally in a place to start developing them. Here are three problems that I'm working on:

• Frames Snap
  
• Bashguards damage obstacles
  
• The current rim brake mounting system.. isn't perfect
  

This could be a nice thread to spur on a lot of innovation. Post up things that annoy you/you don't want as well as solutions you've come up with!

[Mark W]

I remember talking with Ali a while back about a sneaky-sneaky UCI bashring which had a bit of rubber or something similarly sound-deadening in a strip on the outside of it so in comps you could 'ching' your bashring off stuff and the observer wouldn't hear

[dirt jumper jake]

stronger chains, or some sort of system the does away with the pin system.

[murph82]

If you're looking to run a rear freewheel, just do what I did and get a set of middleburns? I'm currently running 22/18 with Middleburns and an Echo SL on the back

But why should i have to spend well over a hundred quid on new ones when something for about 25 would sort it is the point.why should rear freewheel set ups mean havin to use only one very expensive trials specific crank? Its all a bit follow the herd for my liking

[forteh]

I do believe you can get a lighter set up with rear freehub but I can't remember the combination of bits that make it up.

Potentially, but I'd imagine that'd revolve (no pun intended) around a King build with all the trimmings - a similar weight FFW setup would cost a hell of a lot less.

Assuming you use burns and the lightest king (standard axle and alloy driveshell) it is fractionally lighter, although the echo sl ti could tip the balance the other way.

There is only about 30g in it though and its far more expensive to go the king/burns route unless you buy 2nd hand and get lucky

edit: a spline adapter from middleburn sweet torque to HG for a single wide based sproket would be cool, could then use a splined freewheel should they take off

Edited December 23, 2010 by forteh

[Luke Rainbird]

• Bashguards damage obstacles

Presumably you've taken note of those "gummy" bashes?

[Luke Dunstan]

There has to be a way of stopping trousers being caught in the freewheel?

No matter what trousers I wear I'm always conscious of it catching.

And no, I'm not wearing shorts nor am I going to wear spray ons.

Edited December 23, 2010 by xDUNSTANx

[Theta2]

But why should i have to spend well over a hundred quid on new ones when something for about 25 would sort it is the point.why should rear freewheel set ups mean havin to use only one very expensive trials specific crank? Its all a bit follow the herd for my liking

Get some second hand thats what I did ok if you don't mind a couple of scratches, when after all, they'll get em anyway FFW is more follow the herd I'd say :/ I know there are good reasons for it I just can't get on with a trouser muncher

[isitafox]

There has to be a way of stopping trousers being caught in the freewheel?

No matter what trousers I wear I'm always conscious of it catching.

And no, I'm not wearing shorts nor am I going to wear spray ons.

Bicycle clips, been around for decades!

Nice idea for a thread. I'll be keeping a good eye here that's for sure!

I've been beavering away on ideas for a while and now am finally in a place to start developing them. Here are three problems that I'm working on:

• Frames Snap
• Bashguards damage obstacles
• The current rim brake mounting system.. isn't perfect

This could be a nice thread to spur on a lot of innovation. Post up things that annoy you/you don't want as well as solutions you've come up with!

That custom mod you've done on your bike would be superb, just need to sort a decent chain tensioner to work with vertical dropouts that won't get smashed about, something along the lines of the jockey wheels fixed to the frame like on an Ozonys cannibal would be awesome!

[dirt jumper jake]

There has to be a way of stopping trousers being caught in the freewheel?

No matter what trousers I wear I'm always conscious of it catching.

And no, I'm not wearing shorts nor am I going to wear spray ons.

3/4's

[Andeee]

Another remake of a 74kings tensioner =D

[Jamie_Trials]

A proper chainstay protector, made from that D30 stuff

[Luke Dunstan]

3/4's

So technically shorts?

[Theta2]

Another remake of a 74kings tensioner =D

+1

[ogre]

cranks with an integrated bash ring would be awesome, you'd get all the thread you need for a freewheel and have clearance froma tight bb set up?

[Scott Gibbs]

The silent ninja assasin bashring is easy. Use polycarbonate. I made 1 using the 13mm stuff we have at work for ballistic shield windows. Its literally bulletproof!

[isitafox]

I'd prefer something like the built in bash on the Inpulse bikes or maybe something along the lines of the new Koxx Sky bash but on a stock.

[Mark W]

But why should i have to spend well over a hundred quid on new ones when something for about 25 would sort it is the point.why should rear freewheel set ups mean havin to use only one very expensive trials specific crank? Its all a bit follow the herd for my liking

It's 'following the herd' in the sense that they want to make a sustainable business. The vast majority of people prefer FFW, so the market is catered towards that. When the new Inspired/Trialtech 22t setup drops you'll have that as an option I suppose...