CC12345678910 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Right I need a new back tyre and could do with a bit of lard cutting as well, so I could play it safe and buy a Dual-ply hi-roller which saves a touch over my DP minion, or I could save a pile of weight by putting a SP version on. I have seen the paper queen and mountain king used as a back tyre before as thought they were pretty crap puncture wise so will it be the same story with the hi roller? Also does anyone know if the 2.5 version fits in a t-rex? http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/custom/tyres/large_roller25size.jpg ^ suggests it might not... (if it don't I'll bang on a 2.35 instead) Edited February 11, 2011 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I used to have a single ply minion on the rear and it was more puncture prone than the 2.4 rubber queen I replaced it with, in 2 years of use I only ever pinched the rubber queen once; I didnt make a habit of bashing it into sharp corners though. I believe the rubber queen is much better against punctures than the mountain king because of the apex inserts, its still a very squirmy tyre though and really needs higher pressures to be stable. Ive recently changed the rubber queen for a rain king and to be honest the extra stability on the rear is worth the weight penalty. If you want to shed weight then I would look at the der kaiser, its a touch lighter than the rain king which in turn is lighter than a dual ply high roller of similar size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) I used to have a single ply minion on the rear and it was more puncture prone than the 2.4 rubber queen I replaced it with, in 2 years of use I only ever pinched the rubber queen once; I didnt make a habit of bashing it into sharp corners though. I believe the rubber queen is much better against punctures than the mountain king because of the apex inserts, its still a very squirmy tyre though and really needs higher pressures to be stable. Ive recently changed the rubber queen for a rain king and to be honest the extra stability on the rear is worth the weight penalty. If you want to shed weight then I would look at the der kaiser, its a touch lighter than the rain king which in turn is lighter than a dual ply high roller of similar size You point is informative but them conti's (RQ, DK and RK) won't fit in my frame or at least i would struggle without a stanley knife (I think). I am wanting a hi-roller because it is what I can afford, with £35ish to spend. Would it be okay with a DH maxxis and mabye a sleeve? I don't want to compromise my riding style much either. EDIT: I was also using the RQ and MK as a reference point and am not really considering them, though I could be swayed. Edited February 11, 2011 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rab shropshire Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 As above i have used a single ply high roller on the rear i never had many Pinch punctures as i run quite high pressure, but they would fold over terribly under load, if you look in my forsale thread i have quite a few rear tyres up for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just go for a dual ply 2.35 maxxis if getting the larger contis into the frame isnt a feasibility IIRC tartyadam said that the trials queen (effectively a 2.2 rubber queen with apex inserts) didnt feel much different to a 2.4 rubber queen stability wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 IIRC tartyadam said that the trials queen (effectively a 2.2 rubber queen with apex inserts) didnt feel much different to a 2.4 rubber queen stability wise. Yeah, pretty close! I've used pretty much all the lightweight rear tyres, my preference in order is: Trial Queen Hi Roller 2.5" Single Ply Rubber Queen That's not the definitive answer though, if you like to rim out a lot and use low pressures, you won't like either of the above tyres. - so stick with a Dual Ply Maxxis or Rain King/Der Kaiser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Cheers for the info people. Having read your thoughts I think I'm going for the 2.35 DP. Does anyone know the weight cos I don't think it says on tarty (sub 1kg I hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yeah, pretty close! I've used pretty much all the lightweight rear tyres, my preference in order is: Trial Queen Hi Roller 2.5" Single Ply Rubber Queen That's not the definitive answer though, if you like to rim out a lot and use low pressures, you won't like either of the above tyres. - so stick with a Dual Ply Maxxis or Rain King/Der Kaiser. Where would a Stiky lite go in that there sequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Cheers for the info people. Having read your thoughts I think I'm going for the 2.35 DP. Does anyone know the weight cos I don't think it says on tarty (sub 1kg I hope) Weight weenies lists the 2.35 dual ply super tacky high roller as 1242g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Where would a Stiky lite go in that there sequence? Haven't tried one, sorry dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Eh? the 2.5 version weighs 1240g, which is approx. 80g lighter than a 2.5 DP minion, so with the 2.35 DP Minion weighing 1138g i thought the trend might continue. Edited February 16, 2011 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Eh? the 2.5 version weighs 1240g, which is approx. 80g lighter than a 2.5 DP minion, so with the 2.35 DP Minion weighing 1138g i thought the trend might continue. The site might be wrong mind My 2.5 DP high roller was over 1300g! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Schwalbe big betty. Under 900grams, just as good pinch protection as a dual ply maxxis and nice big tread nobbles. Cheaper than the conti's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-bonham@hotmail.com Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Schwalbe big betty. Under 900grams, just as good pinch protection as a dual ply maxxis and nice big tread nobbles. Cheaper than the conti's too. i used to run a big betty when i had a stock. lovly tire, plenty of grip and really light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatrip Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Schwalbe big betty. Under 900grams, just as good pinch protection as a dual ply maxxis and nice big tread nobbles. Cheaper than the conti's too. Another betty lover, mines over 4 years old and still grips shit to a blanket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulud Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 out of interest, how does the front Hi-Roller single ply compare to a Conti TRIAL King? I've noticed my the center knobs on my TK front tyre are starting to tear, after only 3 months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Schwalbe big betty. Under 900grams, just as good pinch protection as a dual ply maxxis and nice big tread nobbles. Cheaper than the conti's too. Big betty is a seriously underrated tyre! Considering the weight (850g for mine), its stability and pinch protection are awesome, much better than the other light alternatives I've used (rubber queen, single ply maxxis). Its also the bounciest tyre i've ever used and really helped with my gaps and sidehops. Just a shame the compound isn't a bit softer, its not that grippy especially in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Big betty is a seriously underrated tyre! Considering the weight (850g for mine), its stability and pinch protection are awesome, much better than the other light alternatives I've used (rubber queen, single ply maxxis). Its also the bounciest tyre i've ever used and really helped with my gaps and sidehops. Just a shame the compound isn't a bit softer, its not that grippy especially in the wet. Link anyone? Also I need reliable measurements as my t-rex has pretty poor clearance. EDIT: Is this it? http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Schwalbe-Big-Betty-MTB-Off-Road-Tyres_18286.htm EDIT 2: How much did yours cost? Edited February 17, 2011 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Link anyone? Also I need reliable measurements as my t-rex has pretty poor clearance. EDIT: Is this it? http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Schwalbe-Big-Betty-MTB-Off-Road-Tyres_18286.htm EDIT 2: How much did yours cost? This is the one you want. The freeride 2.4 version, with the folding sidewalls, in the gooey gluey compound. The details and chart can be seen on their website here. It fits in a t-rex no problem as i used to ride that frame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) This is the one you want. The freeride 2.4 version, with the folding sidewalls, in the gooey gluey compound. The details and chart can be seen on their website here. It fits in a t-rex no problem as i used to ride that frame. Cheers mate. If more people gave consise info like that all the time TF would be a better place Could you tell me what the wear life is like on that soft compound in relation to something like a 42a maxxis please. Edited February 18, 2011 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I recently ran a Minion DHF 2.50 single ply, and I must say that I'd have trouble distinguishing it from the Rubber Queen performance wise. Despite the 70a compound it had pretty damn good grip as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I think I've pretty much discounted the whole single ply idea, with this big betty tyre sounding like just what I'm after. I just need to know the wear is better or at least equal to a 42a maxxis and I'm sold. Thanks for your comment though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I'm not sure how a tyre at that weight wouldn't be 'Single Ply', but let us know how you get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I'm not sure how a tyre at that weight wouldn't be 'Single Ply', but let us know how you get on Well i've hammered mine into all sorts of things and i've only had the one pinch puncture. I'm not the lightest of people either at around 16 stone. I tend to find my rim will dent before i get a puncture. I'd say it's not quite as good as a dual ply maxxis, but if, for example, a maxxis is 100% puncture resistance (i know it's not, but lets just say it is for now) then this big betty is somewhere in the 85-90% range. My mountain kind 2.4 wire bead would have been around 4-6% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC12345678910 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure how a tyre at that weight wouldn't be 'Single Ply', but let us know how you get on I Meant the single ply maxxis mate, sorry. I'm hoping It'll be like the michelin rock'r I bought off you the other week but that didn't fit in my frame so I sold it. I did a couple of hops on the back wheel (with it scraping away) and it felt alright so hears hoping this big betty thing will be OK. Well i've hammered mine into all sorts of things and i've only had the one pinch puncture. I'm not the lightest of people either at around 16 stone. I tend to find my rim will dent before i get a puncture. I'd say it's not quite as good as a dual ply maxxis, but if, for example, a maxxis is 100% puncture resistance (i know it's not, but lets just say it is for now) then this big betty is somewhere in the 85-90% range. My mountain kind 2.4 wire bead would have been around 4-6% Sounding good so far. Wear rate please??? Thank you. Edited February 18, 2011 by CC12345678910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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