Ali C Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 Works for me? But yeah, it'll be changed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 Shit, it's worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Winner! Still looking forward to seeing *all* the tour photos at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Werd. So psyched for this year already despite it being a while off, having no set plan yet and being the skintest summer of my life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Whats so weird about norwich? I thought it was a fairly normal place.. having said that i havn't traveled around the UK alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 A lot of the general Norwich population just seemed odd. Plus viewing us all with open suspicion added to that... Some new shit up on the site now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Loved the blog updates recently mark! Some good points in that last update....i was only trying to geta few extra views and that....can't believe you'd hate on me so much :-p Seriously though. I wanna go to Sam fest next time round. Any guy who lets fireworks off in his = legend. Sam and ballotelli should be pals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 If we bum each other on Facebook already you'll have seen the video I just put on the blog, but if you aren't and you haven't, then click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoze Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 You already know this (cos we bum each other on Facebook) but i was literally gonna put a near identical post on our blog, but then ended up going to work before i got round to it. That's one of the best videos i've seen in ages, awesome stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 I feel bad for this but I've only just watched the 2011 24 tour vid due to technical difficulties at my end. Needless to say I shall be hitting up at least 1 venue this year for sure, video owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 There's a minor video update on the site now. Link in the sig... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross McArthur Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Loved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 There are points in time that I seriously wonder about your mental health Mark... Loved it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncy H Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Is this where flipp lives?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Rumour has it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 You can absolutely teach a parrot to understand the words you are teaching it, same with dogs too, they are both capable of abstract perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I wouldn't say they were comprehending the actual meaning of the words, rather than being taught the correct outcome for when they hear words? Training a dog to react to words doesn't mean that it understands what the words actually are, it means it knows from experience what it's supposed to do when it hears that noise. If you were annoyed with a dog for doing something, I'd have thought you could shout pretty much any word at it you wanted, but as long as the tone of your voice and your body language was right it'd understand it was being bad. Similarly, I refuse to believe that simply by getting a parrot to recite lines out of - say - a play that it'd understand the narrative, get the context, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I get what your saying Mark and yes that is probablty true, however dogs and parrots are capable of abstract perception. For example some dogs have been shown to be able to percieve a picture of an apple as meaning you want them to find a real apple and go and get it, these were not trained actions but abstract perception. As in the dog was not trained to get an apple when the 'apple' card was held up, it did it itself. Dr Ian Dunbar also gives dogs fairly complex tasks to complete by conversing with them. For instance he will call a dog, give it a note and tell it to find Jamie (his kid) and give Jamie the note. He does this totally conversationally. Anyway not trying to hijack the thread, just thought I would point it out for no particular reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 For instance he will call a dog, give it a note and tell it to find Jamie (his kid) and give Jamie the note. He does this totally conversationally. Is that repeatable with any random dog though, or is that more of a series of things the dog's previously been trained/taught? Surely it's got to be taught what a 'Jamie' is to be able to do that, so it's effectively just completing a task? I still don't see that as "understanding words" as in actual comprehension of the meaning rather than an input/output kinda deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) Thats how we learn language, through asociation, abstract asociation. Anyway I can't rememeber the exact details as I read it a long time ago. Maybe I will find it and be more acurate. Edit: here is a sorta summary of what I was on about, handily it also mentions parrots in it. I have read the whole report on this particular dog and it is (to me anyway) interesting stuff. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/06/63792 Edited May 16, 2012 by Matt Vandart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 This was sort of what I was angling at before, albeit it in a shit way Bloom also noted that a child's understanding of language can include abstract concepts. "When children learn a word such as 'sock,' they do not interpret it as 'bring-the-sock' or 'go-to-the-sock,' and they do not merely associate it with socks," he said. And yeah, I was trying to keep the door closed on the whole way we learn language/abstract assocation thing 'cos I knew you'd go down that route, but I still don't really see it as being a similar thing in that instance of the dog and me being able to type this to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeperson45 Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Just thought I'd throw that in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Vandart Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I can't view that where I am unfortunately but I am well versed in operant conditioning. Thing is with operant conditioning is it doesnt explain anything in this situation because it is how we learn also, so cancells itself out in this circumstance. The main point is that the dog (S) ia capable of abstract concepts. The program was designed to assess abstract conception so variables were put in to test this itself. Such as adding a new object to the pile of 1000 objects and adding a new word, the asociation of new word to new object is abstract and unlearned so could not be obtained with operant conditioning in the first instance. Language is widley accepted to not be the sole possesion of the human species and this is way off topic, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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