clerictgm Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 As we know, Inspired frames not so expensive in manufacturing and Element, for example, have catalogue dropouts, fourplay dropouts and disc mounts made from different aluminum bars (not one piece) + few dirty secrets that I will not say. BUT the main factor that reflects the quality are statistics. I found few cases but it seems that broken Inspired is really rare thing to see. So, I suggest to post every found/(or your own expirience) case. Cheap manufacturing tricks - check. So why Inspireds so good(they are good, really?)? R&D does all the work? The first one: http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/f3/broken-inspired-element-frame-49885/ Cracked Element gray from OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpanzyyyy Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 how much omen frames cracked,how much zoots? how much parts can stand trials for longer than maybe a year? how much should we pay you for quitting posting topics like that? the case you brought up was ridden without a booster btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Shit breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gething Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 This guy really does post the dumbest topics out of everyone Trials-Forum. Lets see where this one goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 disc mounts made from different aluminum bars (not one piece) + few dirty secrets that I will not say. just a pointer that to make a one piece disc mount would bump up the prices of the frames......I'm yet to see a frame brake on the disc mount anyway so I'm not sure it's quite the problem you make it out to be. Quite curious about the dirty secrets too, I've known the guys at Inspired for a long time and I'd say they are one company that do things correctly and avoid situations that would get them in bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted September 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Prices are already really high, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persistant_itch Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 you really are the greatest shit stirrer the forum has ever seen, inspired frames are virtually bombproof,there have been very very few cases of problems with frames that I've ever seen, end of conversation. go and find a new random Google image to talk shit about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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clerictgm Posted September 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) how much omen frames cracked,how much zoots? how much parts can stand trials for longer than maybe a year? how much should we pay you for quitting posting topics like that? the case you brought up was ridden without a booster btw. f**k boosters. I don't use them even on because and all ok. Inspired MUST be more solid than chineese-shit-because, isn't it? >how much parts can stand trials for longer than maybe a year? What year? Yours? Give it to bonedeth guys and it it will be destroyed far more faster. I'm talking just about Inspireds. And I think that catalogue parts is unacceptable on frame that costs more than $300. Edited September 22, 2013 by clerictgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) That's pretty defamatory. You shouldn't really allude to 'dirty secrets' if you're not going to say what they are. You don't leave Inspired in a position to defend themselves. You're possibly making Inspired look bad but doing so without any actual substance or evidence. My experience of Inspired is also of a company that spends a lot of time involved in R+D so that they can produce reliable products. Thus the long weight for the Arcade. I don't really see the issue with certain parts of a frame not being totally original but being 'catalogue' in certain respects. If the geometry and durability is good then what's the issue with standard drop outs? Originality for the sake of originality just means greater cost. Surely it's better to focus on what needs developing and maintain what's already good or fine if it reduces cost? Regarding the strength of Inspired frames my experience is of very good durability. Due to my size and riding style I have always broken parts very quickly. I've had frames last me only weeks. Although I have developed cracks in my Inspired frames they have always lasted me 1+ years and despite the cracks they probably could have continued for more. I would only change frames at that point because I err on the side caution. That being said, a manufacturing process is never going to be perfect. Inevitably manufacturing defects *will* occur and that's why there's a warranty to cover such failures. A one year warranty is very decent I think. I can't helping thinking there's potentially a rather negative motivation to this post. I've seen you also posting about Inspired alternatives that you're trying to sell. Perhaps that isn't the reason but it's a coincidence worth thinking about... Edited September 22, 2013 by Ben Rowlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) dont buy a marino,man. if it cracks youll shout it out over the internet... nothing lasts forever Edited September 22, 2013 by FamilyBiker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 And I think that catalogue parts is unacceptable on frame that costs more than $300. The Element has catalogue dropouts but I'm pretty sure that's it (excluding cable stops and vee mounts). They tested the original fourplay frame for years with loads of riders and figured they could save money on places like the dropouts which proved to be strong but spend more money on making other areas stronger (one piece bb and yolk). The current frames all have custom droputs, headtubes, bb yolks and disc mounts I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persistant_itch Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 That's pretty defamatory. You shouldn't really allude to 'dirty secrets' if you're not going to say what they are. You don't leave Inspired in a position to defend themselves. You're possibly making Inspired look bad but doing so without any actual substance or evidence. My experience of Inspired is also of a company that spends a lot of time involved in R+D so that they can produce reliable products. Thus the long weight for the Arcade. I don't really see the issue with certain parts of a frame not being totally original but being 'catalogue' in certain respects. If the geometry and durability is good then what's the issue with standard drop outs? Originality for the sake of originality just means greater cost. Surely it's better to focus on what needs developing and maintain what's already good or fine if it reduces cost? Regarding the strength of Inspired frames my experience is of very good durability. Due to my size and riding style I have always broken parts very quickly. I've had frames last me only weeks. Although I have developed cracks in my Inspired frames they have always lasted me 1+ years and despite the cracks they probably could have continued for more. I would only change frames at that point because I err on the side caution. That being said, a manufacturing process is never going to be perfect. Inevitably manufacturing defects *will* occur and that's why there's a warranty to cover such failures. A one year warranty is very decent I think. I can't helping thinking there's potentially a rather negative motivation to this post. I've seen you also posting about Inspired alternatives that you're trying to sell. Perhaps that isn't the reason but it's a coincidence worth thinking about... was thinking the exact same, running some hate propaganda to drum up business for himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 The only places I've seen inspireds go in person is the headtube gussets and top tube / seat tube join, these where only hairline cracks not snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clerictgm Posted September 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 was thinking the exact same, running some hate propaganda to drum up business for himself business? businass? lol guys tha f**k was this? are you REALLY SO STUPID? business in selling frames at a loss? you have brain damage or what? f**k you. just f**k you. I already have buyers from Russia. anyway, business, are you serious? your country has higher: - triple greater GDP per capita - higher HDI - and overall quality of life how can you be sou stupid, i don't understand. and sooooou f**king biased. I just worried about my lil' grey cutie. AND THAT'S ALL. so go f**k yourselves with your f**king conspiracy theories about my BUSINESS ahahahah,you idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Okay mate see you when you make another pointless thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Thankyou clerictgm, you made that so easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) business? businass? lol guys tha f**k was this? are you REALLY SO STUPID? business in selling frames at a loss? you have brain damage or what? f**k you. just f**k you. I already have buyers from Russia. anyway, business, are you serious? your country has higher: - triple greater GDP per capita - higher HDI - and overall quality of life how can you be sou stupid, i don't understand. and sooooou f**king biased. I just worried about my lil' grey cutie. AND THAT'S ALL. so go f**k yourselves with your f**king conspiracy theories about my BUSINESS ahahahah,you idiots. Well, I didn't know your situation exactly and I was open to that not being the case which is evident in the way I phrased how I possibly saw things. I apologise if I'm wrong. None the less, there is the equally important matter of you defaming Inspired. Really you need to either elaborate on 'dirty secrets' or admit that it's nonsense. It would be preferable if we could speak about this reasonably. Edited September 22, 2013 by Ben Rowlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gething Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Thankyou clerictgm, you made that so easy. Permabanned this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 he´ll make a new account. ...and we will recognize him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 Man, banning him doesn't help. It still leaves his 'dirty secrets' hanging in the air although hopefully people aren't really giving credence to that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 The forum will be a better place, I think it's obvious everyone saw immediately what he was trying to get at and is aware of what a bellend he was being about the whole thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 The forum becomes a more boring place when people get banned and threads get closed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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