marshole82 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hey guys, I'm running an old deore rear hub, I'm looking to upgrade to something a bit more suited to trials. How do I find out the engagement of my hub? Which hubs are better? Plenty of Hopes knocking about but are they actually any better? Sure they look great, being all anodised blue and such, but worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Pro 2's are amazing, well worth the upgrade but try to pick up a proper pro 2 trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshole82 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 £££'s Watching a few hope bulb, xc, and pro2. Are they all decent? The engagement thing....pro 2s the daddy in this field too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hey guys, I'm running an old deore rear hub, I'm looking to upgrade to something a bit more suited to trials. How do I find out the engagement of my hub? Which hubs are better? Plenty of Hopes knocking about but are they actually any better? Sure they look great, being all anodised blue and such, but worth it? From memory Deore hubs are ( or used to be) between 16 - 24 engagements. A standard Pro2T is 48, so double. The newer ones are about twice as much as that. They are made in completely different ways and the Pro2T will last a lifetime if you've managed to use a Deore hub for more than a day. Your other options are a Chris King (72 engagements using a ring drive system) or a fixed hub with freewheel mounted to it. I'd personally go with a Pro2T as they can be picked up pretty cheaply second hand, and arn't that expensive new. Also have nice big allen key bolts and bits like that. £££'s Watching a few hope bulb, xc, and pro2. Are they all decent? The engagement thing....pro 2s the daddy in this field too? Bulbs and XCs arn't really up to the job. Us older riders used them back in the day before the Pro2T came along and whilst they worked, they are nowhere near as good for trials as the Pro2T. Honestly worth spending the extra money, rather than buying a cheaper one and having to spend time and money de-lacing it when it breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshole82 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hmm OK I'll have a look about. The xc will probably be better than my LX on the Kona anyways so might be worth a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Pro 2 or nothing for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza1414 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) I had xc hope hubs for trials for years and I can definately say they are far better than any shimano hub. When I was riding years ago everyone I rode with had either hope xc or king hubs. I ran mine standard but alot of people used to stretch the hub springs, not sure if it made a difference to performance (and I'm sure someone on here will advise against it) but they sounded alot louder. On another note, I'm running a Pro 2 now and totally agree that it's amazing, never skipped or given me any issue. Edited April 17, 2014 by Dazza1414 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Pro2s are superior for reliability. Change springs and maybe pawls once a year if you're funny about drivetrains like I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Old Chris King hub (as in 2nd hand, pre 2007). Had mine for 8 years, skipped once due to lack of service. I got it second hand, it was used in trials before that. So it's still running strong after over 10 years of trials use. Edited April 17, 2014 by Greetings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bing Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Pro 2 trials for the win. I've had 2 on 2 different bikes and they've both been spot on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Kings are good but can be hit and miss, I deffo wouldn't want to be anywhere near one when it skips though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Second an old king, I got mine second hand off Ben Travis back in 2004 and it's never skipped; cleaned and oiled once a year and it's all good I've heard stories of newer kings tending to skip, however I reckon this is more to do with not being then in enough before using for trials. Edited April 17, 2014 by forteh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Second an old king, I got mine second hand off Ben Travis back in 2004 and it's never skipped; cleaned and oiled once a year and it's all good I've heard stories of newer kings tending to skip, however I reckon this is more to do with not being then in enough before using for trials. Could be some merit in that but the materials they now use are ridiculously poor. My friend snapped 2 heavy duty axles clean in half when he was a beginner, doing nothing (inc. drops) larger than wheel height. Haven't heard of anyone who purchased a recent King and was happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Why does this happen to big companies? Is it a case of, start out spending more money on materials and good quality tolerances, reputation builds as the first few batches are top dog, more and more demand for products, find cheaper materials, make more money? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann2707 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Why does this happen to big companies? Is it a case of, start out spending more money on materials and good quality tolerances, reputation builds as the first few batches are top dog, more and more demand for products, find cheaper materials, make more money? Sounds like exactly that dude. And hope the customers won't notice the quality slip, then that reduced quality becomes the new norm across the whole range. Hence the absolutely f**king shocking welds on some of the newer trials frames. It's not like the riding is getting harder on the frames compared to back in the day when everyone used to go to bash etc? And that's why you get the people complaining that "trials parts were much stronger back in the day" I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 In my experience of hope pro 2 hubs i have only ever seen the newer pro 2 evo hubs for gears snap the alloy freehub body's in half due the the axle getting bigger so thinner freehubs ( the trial/ss doesn't suffer this) the axle snapping on pro 2 hubs using maxle light 142/135x12 through axles. the pawl springs break after years of misuse and no servicing. the centre hub shell bearing seems to take a lot of the load in trials whenever i service mine that bearing always has indents in the bearing races, i can only assume from drops and heavy loads. hope are currently replacing the freehub body's and axles under warranty free of charge. i have been running my pro 2 evo trials hub for coming close to a year and replaced a bearing because it didn't feel new, cleaned and regreaced it once. honestly its the best hub i have ever used for trials or anything else. previously used, Shimano, halo 3 pawl xcx and 6 pawl xcs, goldtec Draco, funn, tensile 60 ffw, tensile 96 ffw, echo 108 ffw. Dicta ffw, Shimano ffw, acs claws ect...... Tried out quite a lot of stuff over the years, but i am no pro rider just your average novice/inter rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dngr2self Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Why does this happen to big companies? Is it a case of, start out spending more money on materials and good quality tolerances, reputation builds as the first few batches are top dog, more and more demand for products, find cheaper materials, make more money? In my opinion companies increase their profits initially by building the the brand and increasing their customer basr. Once they reach their optimum level like that they look at cost cutting to increase profits. Pro 2's are awesome in my experience though but I've only evet owned oldrt ones. Edited April 17, 2014 by dngr2self 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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