Herbertlemon102 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I've just bought an ice tech 203mm, with the 5 pronged aluminium spider. I bought it because I've heard good things about heat conduction away from the rotor through the spider which is made if Alu (great for conduction) and frankly, I think the disc is great to look at. But is the heat conduction really noticable? My rotor at the minute gets quite got and the brake sometimes fades slightly, do the saint rotors offer better braking power and heat transfer? Or is it's good looks all it has to offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) I've just bought an ice tech 203mm, with the 5 pronged aluminium spider. I bought it because I've heard good things about heat conduction away from the rotor through the spider which is made if Alu (great for conduction) and frankly, I think the disc is great to look at. But is the heat conduction really noticable? My rotor at the minute gets quite got and the brake sometimes fades slightly, do the saint rotors offer better braking power and heat transfer? Or is it's good looks all it has to offer? This question doesn't have to do with trials you know? The heat conduction is noticeable when your doing downhill. Then again, depending on your weight an riding style, you may notice the steel melting at some point. Edited August 29, 2014 by niconj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) You will never ever feel the benefit on a trials bike. Ever. The Saint is a DH brake. Also, if you hit these rotors they'll bend easier than the full steel ones. The disc/pad contact part is great, I've got the full steel version of these & they're brilliant, I'm just not a fan of alu spiders on a trials bike. No need for it other than saving a tiny amount of weight. Edited August 29, 2014 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 You will never ever feel the benefit on a trials bike. Ever. The Saint is a DH brake. Also, if you hit these rotors they'll bend easier than the full steel ones. The disc/pad contact part is great, I've got the full steel version of these & they're brilliant, I'm just not a fan of alu spiders on a trials bike. No need for it other than saving a tiny amount of weight. The reason I use/used them is because of the extra stiffness they have and reduced chances of bending. The alloy versions are actually heavier than the steel ones too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 The reason I use/used them is because of the extra stiffness they have and reduced chances of bending. The alloy versions are actually heavier than the steel ones too. And you have never had any problems with the pins coming loose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Fair enough, if they're heavier then the spider's probably pretty beefy, my main concern though is the rivets/pins. I've heard rumours of some breaking & there's no way the alu one should outlast the steel one through sheer braking force because of the weak spot, the rivets. I'll take a bent rotor over a snapped one. There are loads of alu vs steel comparisons & opinions out there, some say they're great, some say it's all marketing bollocks/gimmick. But no other bike discipline will have a bike drop 10ft+ to concrete with the rear disc locked, so in that sense, mountain bike reviews are a bit worthless. I wouldn't think you'd break one unless you're going huge, Euan puts his bike through a lot with the alu rotors, he did hit the rear a few weeks ago and bend it, but otherwise they've been pretty good. For 95% of people I don't think they'll make any difference, especially at twice the price. It also wouldn't surprise me if Danny Mac has broken a few. Edited August 29, 2014 by LEON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 never had a single issue with mine, Danny's never broken one either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 How come he stopped using them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatpro09 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Slight thread hijack, but how are the new saint brakes? Paired with the saint ice-tech rotors, how would they compare to Hope tech 3 E4/V4 4-pot brakes with the hope floating rotors associated with them? I am looking for some new brakes at some point in the future to replace my front SLX and rear Magura MT4. Thanks, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 How come he stopped using them? he just runs what he's given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEON Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Cost cutting eh? lol. Seriously though...what are we all gonna do when all the M810s are broken and gone? Shimano looks to be going the stubby lever route, I don't like Hopes, Avids don't fill me with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Leigh Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 the avid lever blades feel the nicest imo, just there um, shit brakes. like the feel of hope brakes but the blades are a bit skinny, same with saints but the power and snap is there. why is there no combo of good only!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Cost cutting eh? lol. Seriously though...what are we all gonna do when all the M810s are broken and gone? Have you tried the Trialzones or you could get the Trialzones with the Hope Tech 3 lever. Also the XT and SLX levers work the same as the Saints. Edited August 30, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Has anyone used a sram guide brake for trials yet ? I also haven't broken any Shimano rotors with alloy centres and haven't seen any broke either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 never had a single issue with mine, Danny's never broken one either the fact you've had no issue fills me with more confidence than what others were suggesting, it's for a front brake too, and I use that less than my rear as to fronts and up to fronts ain't my thing. I guess I'll see how it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsbikingnunn Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 the fact you've had no issue fills me with more confidence than what others were suggesting, it's for a front brake too, and I use that less than my rear as to fronts and up to fronts ain't my thing. I guess I'll see how it goes If you dont do much stuff to front do you really need a floating rotor? Seems quite unnecessary to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 If you dont do much stuff to front do you really need a floating rotor? Seems quite unnecessary to be honest well it was going for 20 and if you've met my current front rotor, a piece of ham would be an improvement over that thing. To fronts and stuff ain't my thing, but I can still do them. And I like the way they look. Each to his own I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbertlemon102 Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Rotor installed. Bedded very quickly- oddly enough, felt an obvious power difference- the bite is pretty damn good. Holds nicely- then again my old rotor had more problems than me ex girlfriend, so it could just be normal performance, but in comparison to my other rotor it feels much nicer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Cost cutting eh? lol. Seriously though...what are we all gonna do when all the M810s are broken and gone? Shimano looks to be going the stubby lever route, I don't like Hopes, Avids don't fill me with confidence. A 4 pot Hope trials brake would be interesting, I reckon Jitsie pads on that would be better than Saints. A 200m Trialzone with Jitsie pads is pretty unbeatable for stopping power! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) A 4 pot Hope trials brake would be interesting, I reckon Jitsie pads on that would be better than Saints. A 200m Trialzone with Jitsie pads is pretty unbeatable for stopping power! I will probably compare a Trialzone to my Saints. I am very intrigued!!! Just wondering though, whether I can adjust the bitepoint. I really like it close to the bar as with my Saints. Edited August 31, 2014 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isitafox Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Get a tech trial then you can do that! Love my Tech trials on my street bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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