Martin Direske Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hi there! It might be discussed already (actually I'm sure it has already been, but I can't find anything with your strange search-function). I currently rebuild my Marino and finally decided to get a Hope hub again. When looking for the Evo SSP I came across the new 40T version of it. Since it seems to be quite new I couldn't find much information around whether it's just as good to use as the older version with less EP. I'm aware of the fact that the only thing that was changed is the amount of EP but this might be a possible source of problems, could it? (e.g. you don't feel every single EP as clear and easy as it has been before, which actually gave a certain security) I heard of it being quieter in comparison to the previous as well? Thank you! Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Ali built up one of the 40T hubs into his back wheel just before we went to Barcelona in January. He's still running the same hub now, without having had to do anything to it at all. They seem to be pretty decent. If you're used to the older Hope hubs they do feel quite a bit different at first. It's kind of hard to describe, but I think it's just because there's not the same gap to the engagement point when you pedal it kind of feels weird. Definitely something you'd get used to pretty quickly though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Direske Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Thanks Mark! I might just be overcautious here, but a Hope hub is something more to me than just a freewheel you buy and replace everytime it's about to die. It's something reliable and shiny yet usefull I want to give to myself as a present after some harsh exam-days. I used to have the regular Evo hub in the Skye back in the day and it never failed to amaze me how far freehubs have come. Apart from that one alloy-axle-break I had there never was an issue. Therefore I would go for the same version immediatly in case someone would come up with experiences like "meehh, the 40t skipped on me more often than the regular ssp" Also, did you notice a big difference in their sounds, Mark? Thank you! -edit- I'm currently running 108EPs on both, Marino and Because. Souldn't be much of an issue to me to get used to it -edit2- I forgot to mention that I currently don't own a Hope at all. I ask you here because I need to decide whether it's going to be the regular Evo SSP or the newer Evo SSP 40T Edited October 1, 2014 by Martin Direske Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Because of the extra clicks they kind of sound more like a King than the older Hope. They don't seem particularly quiet though, I rode with Flipp a couple of nights ago and his 40T hub seemed to be pretty loud! The engagements still seem just as solid which is pretty surprising. I kind of assumed they wouldn't be as good due to the shallower ratchet and thought things would break more, but that doesn't really seem to be the case. The only person I know who's had trouble with them is Luke Cockshott, but he's destroyed two so I'm not really sure what's going on there (when there are a lot of people out there running them with no issues - I think Jack Carthy's had one on the rear of his Cleep for quite a while now and hasn't had any issues, so it's not like it's "just" been tried out by people riding street). That issue with the alloy 12mm axle seems to have been solved by Hope producing the steel version now - it's heavier, but much, much stronger. If you're running a regular 10mm rear setup now though you shouldn't have any issues with the regular axle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmtber Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I have one on my xc bike and with oil in the freewheel its so quiet, its pretty much silent. But as standard the noise is pretty much the same with more clicks. It hasn't skipped once but that is for xc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyBiker Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 my mate robert is 110kgs and basher no end,he runs it since months without a skip.snapped his chain last sunday though,so he isnt exactly kind to his parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perez Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) I was going to open a new thread because of this also, glad i got the answers i need, my problems with Hope is the EP, but with 80 i can smile again Edited October 1, 2014 by Perez 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatpro09 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I bought one back in mid May and I haven't had a single issue. It sounds identical to the day I bought it and not had even a sign of a skip. It has really positive engagement and just feels really sturdy, plus it looks mega cool I personally wouldn't go back to a FFW if it could be avoided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Because of the extra clicks they kind of sound more like a King than the older Hope. They don't seem particularly quiet though, I rode with Flipp a couple of nights ago and his 40T hub seemed to be pretty loud! The engagements still seem just as solid which is pretty surprising. I kind of assumed they wouldn't be as good due to the shallower ratchet and thought things would break more, but that doesn't really seem to be the case. The only person I know who's had trouble with them is Luke Cockshott, but he's destroyed two so I'm not really sure what's going on there (when there are a lot of people out there running them with no issues - I think Jack Carthy's had one on the rear of his Cleep for quite a while now and hasn't had any issues, so it's not like it's "just" been tried out by people riding street). That issue with the alloy 12mm axle seems to have been solved by Hope producing the steel version now - it's heavier, but much, much stronger. If you're running a regular 10mm rear setup now though you shouldn't have any issues with the regular axle After speaking to Jacks dad at Radfest they have had to replace the bearings in the hub (more than once) I have had problems with the bearings one both my rear EVO 40t hubs and one had to have the axle replaced as it was 1mm too wide where the bearings seat against it (one has been sent back to Hope twice now, Both hubs are less than 6 months old). Karl had to send his back with a similar Axle issue (and bearings needing replaced). They do work really well though and hopefully I won't have another problem but even if I did I wouldn't go back to the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yes bearings went in mine, apart from that it's awesome. No skips, they are slightly quieter than the old ones but not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perez Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Small update, i got mine yesterday, and rode it today, it is very very loud, the feeling is like a CK, but the engagements feel more precise, with 80 EP i can't feel any difference to a FW. Will update again if problems appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Direske Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Small update, i got mine yesterday, and rode it today, it is very very loud, the feeling is like a CK, but the engagements feel more precise, with 80 EP i can't feel any difference to a FW. Will update again if problems appear. Very same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar4281 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 My first post on this forum-- my main bearings went, and then the roller bearing in the pawl mechanism. Haven't had much luck, but then again still cheaper than replacing freewheels. I must be really hard on drivetrains because in 3 years of trials riding I've gone through 4 freewheels, and rebuilt my Hope twice. I think my main problem is that my bike is often on the back of my car getting rained on, and I ride in rain and snow so water gets in there. Cheers from Maryland, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Upping this here. Does it make a huge difference running a Hope on the rear instead a FFW on the front? Weight difference is only 115gr. overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, niconj said: Upping this here. Does it make a huge difference running a Hope on the rear instead a FFW on the front? Weight difference is only 115gr. overall. If you want to roll around, definitely. If you're riding comp-ish trials, maybe. The engagements somehow feel more solid and definite, which is very reassuring and confidence boosting when churning massive forces through the drivetrain. A lot of freewheels handle it very well, but they don't have quite the same slammed-home-engagement feeling. It's not an issue for me as the heavier frame puts the majority of the bike's weight in the middle regardless. If you have a *really* light bike, moving that weight from the middle of the bike to the rear wheel can be noticeable, but you'd get used to it quickly. Depends how fussy about weight distribution you are. It can make it a bit backwheel-heavy which some people don't seem to mind, but I find it messes up front-wheel placement/pulling up. The main benefit over a freewheel is the dramatically reduced rolling resistance. The wheel can move much more freely since it doesn't need to always push the chain around, so you roll for longer. It feels like it rolls smoother, I guess for the same reasons. It also means trousers are much less likely to get caught in chains (and when they do it's not so bad as they only go in as far as you pedal), if you're susceptible to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, aener said: If you want to roll around, definitely. If you're riding comp-ish trials, maybe. Thanks. Well, my bike weighs 9.4kg as it is now. I run a "Der Kaiser" on the rear* so it is already a bit heavy there. I don't mind the extra weight (have lost 5kgs of weight myself over the last couple of weeks). I will run pure trials with it though so not much rolling here. *I could run a Monty on the rear which would make up for the weight transfer from the middle to the rear. Edited September 10, 2016 by niconj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Well if you're suggesting changes you could make to accommodate the difference it sounds like you just want one, so get one. Run it with the Kaiser, and if you find it makes too much of a difference change to a lighter tyre to compensate. Give yourself time to adjust though. One ride is not a proper diagnostic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, aener said: Well if you're suggesting changes you could make to accommodate the difference it sounds like you just want one, so get one. Run it with the Kaiser, and if you find it makes too much of a difference change to a lighter tyre to compensate. Give yourself time to adjust though. One ride is not a proper diagnostic Kinda want one... true. Mostly because it's more reassuring than a FFW. Doesn't Jack run one on his crewkerz? Not that it'll make me ride like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 8 hours ago, niconj said: Kinda want one... true. Mostly because it's more reassuring than a FFW. Doesn't Jack run one on his crewkerz? Not that it'll make me ride like him. He used too, he is now running the standard crewkerz freewheel and has been for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Cap said: He used too, he is now running the standard crewkerz freewheel and has been for a while. Yeah and I think he ran the through axle which is about 100gr. lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJА Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) I think YES, my ~4 years old PRO2 EVO still works fine and I never serviced it. Just feel like it's time for a new bearings, but everything else is absolutely OK and it still feels awesomely solid and sounds so loud I don't need to ask people to step aside. I don't know any other hub as much reliable as HOPE. Edited September 11, 2016 by NINJА Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 I ran a Hope pro 2 EVO from when they first came out and had endless issues with it, ended up getting that changed and moving onto my 2nd Evo this one was better but still had a fault where the bearings would suddenly crack inside the hub body. I went into Hope 3 times for this until I finally got a new hub and they tested my old one, turning out to be the hub shell itself being to tight for the bearings causing them to crack. That one was a little better until 3 of 4 pawls snapped on me in a move and again back to Hope and that turned out to be the wrong pawls in the hub itself (which also happened to another friend weeks later). I now have the pro 4 Evo which seems to be pretty good so far I am not sure how long I have had this one I think its 8 months now. I would go for the pro 4 model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Paperclip said: I would go for the pro 4 model. That was the plan. As soon as my Jitsie FFW gives up I will order the Hope hub. May take a while though. I have to fight my compulsive shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 16 minutes ago, niconj said: That was the plan. As soon as my Jitsie FFW gives up I will order the Hope hub. May take a while though. I have to fight my compulsive shopping. It's the perfect tool for the job in my case and many others, some of the old school guys on the forum have tried and moved back to 48e. Just don't make the mistake I did and go for Halo spokes, every time I replace one I snap another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niconj Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Paperclip said: Just don't make the mistake I did and go for Halo spokes, every time I replace one I snap another. It's probably not the Halo spokes* but once one spoke is broken, the ones next to it take a lot of stress as well and break easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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