Thanks very much for all the info. The older comp bikes didn't suit me too well. My mate had a few and it didn't suit my riding back then but I loved to manual everywhere, rolling gaps etc and his bikes always seemed perfect when on the back wheel but no good for rolling stuff. Maybe it was the bikes or maybe it was me, I'm not too sure. I'm tempted to buy a zero frame and get all the parts from another bike and put them on a zero frame but I can't seem to find a good bike to strip or a zero at a decent price. The bike that looks closest to a zero (with my very limited knowledge) looks like a jitsie 24 1065? I think unless on comes up local for me to check out I'll keep an eye out for the older stuff like your suggesting. Bmx style is a no go now I'm older so maybe an old echo or similar might be the way to go.