The whole idea about validation is good, i think it lets you get used to the forum and learn tips tricks and things you didnt know befor you post in the main area although there is the down side, people being validated at different times seems to be a big problem, were as i talk to someone regularly and he has only been signed up for 5 mounths (if even that ) and he is validated already when i have more post ect.... and still a pre member, but i think it would be a good idea for pre members to be validated all at the same time say 6 mounth, seem fair, and then be closely watched for the next couple of weeks just to see what they are posting ect .... if i have spoke out or turn in anyway towards admins or members i am sorry and one quick question, how do you become a admin are you selcted by someone ? sean