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Here is the Geo from Tarty, they measured using the same fork so this should be spot on. Wheelbase: 1075mm Chainstay Length: 385mm BB Rise: 35mm Head Angle: 71.5 degrees Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 655mm (25.75") Thanks for the compliments guys! It was a good bit of working getting all of the exact parts I wanted in the states.

So here it is... after a few bumps in the road getting parts It's finally done, here is a part list and 2 pics I snapped. Czar short frame Echo Urban fork King NoThreadset headset Middleburn cranks with the Heatsink bashring with 18T cog Truvativ Gigapipe DH BB Wellgo MG-1 Pedals Echo Hifi 130x15 stem Trialtech bars Racer's edge foam grips HS-33 front and back Coust pads Trialtech rims laced to King ISO hubs King Cog 15T KMC Cool Chain 74 Kings tensioner Maxxis Larsen TT front tire Maxxis Minion 2.5 rear tire Maxxis Welterweight tubes

So I finally got my echo urban forks in the mail. I got the bottom bearing race on fine, slid the fork up through the frame but when put the top cap on and tap it down it will only go so far and won't snug up to the headset. Like if I pick up the frame so the weight comes off of the fork I can see it move, also just grabbing the steerer tube and moving it I can feel a little wobble. Now I've never owned a King headset but this just doesn't seem normal, any tips?

I didn't see this asked, what gearing? Looks AWESOME btw.

Thanks for the help guys I was looking all over with no luck. As a last ditch effort I contacted my wheel builder and he said he would swap me 1:1 for the QR hub since he's building my wheels and he has the hubs in stock. Sweet!

So I have a chance to get a new king front hub for CHEAP but it's a 20mm through axle, does anyond know of an adapter to mount that to some echo urban forks? Or is there a trials fork that supports a through axle?

I see no reason that wouldn't be covered, that's an odd place for a frame to break. That seems pretty awesome that they would let you get a different frame assuming it's the same price I wish more companies did that. Good luck getting that replaced.

For a rim a little on the lighter side I would say the Try-All, the Trialtech is also light but doesn't come in gold. As far as hubs you would be hard pressed to find something better than the Chris King hub which has 72 engagement points. You will pay a premium for the CK though. If you wanna save a few bucks maybe the Hope Pro 2 Trials hub. The Hope has 48 points, weighs about 10 grams more than the King at about half the price. They both come in gold.

Awesome man, good luck getting it set up. Pics when it's being built!

As a new member who does a ton of searching on the forum might I suggest not editing out your original topic so people who might have a similar problem can better search for the same thing. *edit* I guess a you or a mod put it back.

Sweet, thanks for the reply. I will go with the 2 ply tires also. Out of curiosity what rims are you running?

Hey guys I just ordered my first trials frame and ended up choosing the Czar frame. I'm looking at the dual ply Maxxis Hi Roller in 2.5" does anyone have experience with putting a 2.5" tire on a Czar? If so were there any rubbing issues? I'm also debating going single ply because I'm only 115lbs and not gonna be doing crazy stuff anytime soon. Thoughts? Thanks, Jim

I would also go for the "setup" plan and try to stage a sale and bag the twat. Badgering him on the internet wont do a thing. Wonderful topic I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Yeah man I'll be 24 in a few weeks and I'm just starting to build my first trials bike!

Yeah chrome is a coating, no biggie. Polished still looks pimp.

What makes a 116 weaker? I doubt I could muck up a nice CK hub. I'm also not a heavy rider, I'm 5'10" and 115lbs so depending on how much weaker, I might not notice. Well the frame selection doesn't matter too much because the Echo Control comes in 116mm.

I've always put CKs on my MTBs and absolutely love them. I plan on doing the same on my trials bike.

Control it is! Seems like the tried and true frame to get. Are there down sides to running a 116mm stock frame? I hate the idea of having a chain tensioner on a single speed bike, just seems like unneeded extras. The Chris King 116mm rear hub looks sex.

So would you guys recommend an Echo Control over an Adamant A1?

Well then, with this info it looks like low bb is the way to go Thanks for that link to webcyclery. I was checking out Tarty but with George W ruining our dollar it's pretty much raped the options of buying overseas. The Echo Control(I haven't decided on that specific frame yet, just an example) comes out to be aprox $560 with the exchange rate. The same frame at WebCyclery and I also found midwestbiketrials.com they both have the frame for $400... much better.

Thanks after looking into it a bit I think I will go with the GU TP '08, now to look for the frame fork combo in the states.

Alright well let me start out with this... I've never done anything trials related. Currently I ride MTB and have been riding for a few years. I just stumbled onto trials when watching some MTB vids. I've been lurking the forums for a few days and decided to register. I've never heard of trials until a few days ago so I don't know of anyone in the area nor does my LBS carry any trials parts. So that said I'm going into trials blind with a minor MTB background. I've decided to go for a stock trials bike but am not sure about the BB height things I was reading. The only real info I found was that the higher bb makes the bike easier to flick around. I'm looking to ride street with lots of smooth transitions and down the line get into gaps, rails, etc. I'm not really in a rush to build since I can do a lot of practice exercises on my MTB to work on balance and such. I don't really have much of a budget because I was expecting to pay what I do for my MTBs but it looks to be much cheaper to build a high end trials bike then an MTB. This is clearly more popular in the UK than the states so any state side web links to buy frames would be much appreciated. -Jim

Haha ok I'm from the US and I had to look back at the pictures I'm like what are they talking about the brakes are how mine are. My whole life I've rode bikes with right hand rear brakes, if I had to switch I'm almost sure I would go over the bars a few times.