Biff, in one sentence you have reminded me why I used to cringe everytime I saw you'd made a post. Anyway, people this is a frame for Chris to ride, it's as backward as a Golf, just because it's not one long tube doesn't mean it will ride shit. Anyway face it, he's so damn good that even without the latest technology he still owns us all. :$ Basically stop bitching about a frame you will never ride. P.S. For some reasone Mr Larsen you're coming across as a dick, no idea why though.