totally understand this.
but in my opinion you wont get a quality like it was there years ago,everything just seems to be produced in a rush,with poor qc.
i could even imagine its the same as with china clones,some frames come from one supplier,some from another and so on.
mate of me rides a frame from 2003,t'was designed as a comp frame back in the days,he is 100kg and bashing street on it,held up fine since now.
just dont expect quality stuff for our genre anymore,seen too much sh*t,offset pedal threads,even offset stem tubes,frames that held up a month from purchase etc