Pauly

Yeah I can understand where you are coming from and that is a very valid point, however the onza zoot and inspired frames are of a completely different design if you are to take away the graphics and company branding but I can see where you are coming from. I think I could write pages on how they are different behind the branding to be fair but I suppose that’s besides the point of what you are trying to get across. A example of my point is a of a certain brand (let’s say brand a) of forks which had a bad name for parts and bad branding on a whole as a company, now their forks what i used to own were identical to the ones made by a very well branded company (brand just a slightly different geo but the price was significantly lower on the brand a forks, brand b sold alot more forks which backs your argument up, however what I’m trying to say is, I would of thought people were smart enough to see past the branding and look at the product for what it actually is, not just look into what is branded well and what sells the most. I think it is now obvious to me now, that graphics and branding is a big issue, something I would have thought most people would have saw past when buying a frame, but thanks for the input anyway. Difficult to make sense of what I have just put I know.

Forgive me for the bad spelling after a 13 hour day at work although I wouldn’t have thought spelling would of came into my argument. You did not offend me in anyway thanks, I believe that trying to slate someone over a forum childish, but I have obviously got under your skin from my comment, which I do apologise about, I suppose it’s difficult to portray sense of hummer over a forum. Anyway if you read what I have written, I do not base a decision on what frame I would buy over solely the geo, looking at the older frames first, as mark basically said the design is tried and tested with some nice features along with a good geo. Now when looking at the newer frames, you talk about the head tube, looking at that as an example the older echo/ko frames used to have similar principles which to my knowledge did not have any problems in the past. Now I know when designing anything to go into a cnc machine it is very simple to run simulations of stress points to the design, I very much doubt looking at the complexity of the components, they would be machined as a "one off" using older manufacturing techniques , so making miner tweaks to maximise strength of the components will be a relatively simple process, I do believe this was how the echo/ko frames were designed via simulations, I suppose they would not go into strain gauging, but I guess that’s another avenue which would have a major effect on the price of frames however would be the ultimate way of testing the frames, but as a whole anything that will be cncd will go through on a whole a accurate test. I am aware from what I have read that Ben Travis has been working with speedrace into the development of their frames, now he is a good rider if you are not already aware and I’m sure will be able to push the frames to their limits to give a good practical analysis on whether they are up to the needs of us trials riders. To conclude, when getting anything produced through a cnc machine that is not a off the shelf part you need to have a good knowledge of what you are trying to achieve. When looking at the fact it is a non trials company, well in all fairness they do have a background of bikes as a whole, which again says to me they are not completely clueless in what they are doing. They may not be around in 2012, but it is a tough time at the moment and I can imagine that it would be difficult for any company to get noticed which could be why they have gone all out on their new frames trying to get something "different" exploring new ideas and trying to advance the trials market. That is basically my thoughts explained, why I personally would not base my thoughts of a frame on their slogans and graphics, taking what you have said into consideration, this seems to obviously be what people are basing how they part with their money, so it is properly something they should look at, to entice more customers, but I guess that’s what makes us individuals on how we analyse and conclude things. Paul

yeah fair comment, suppose the geo isnt exactly my style on the newer frames but i guess its all about moving forward and trying new things.

you had a beer ? very nice well thought out frames and extreemly good geos , I personaly would never buy a frame based on its graphics, cant see how you can slate a companys products over their slogens either. never mind

just realised what i put ha , what i ment was after you spin round on ur front wheel instead of effectively jumping over the rail with ur rear after the spin , land the back wheel on the rail, just an idea if you could get that on a full on handrail i would have a moment ha

hey ben sweet vid as usual... only thing is, 34 secs in could you land on the rail with ur wheel wheel ? so its like a front to back 360 ? get it sorted if so ! bristol ride soon Paul

any ideas on what frame that is ?

+1

in what way has he killed them though james ? as i dont fancy doing a dropgap off somthing daft to a rail and it snaps in 2 haha

niceone bigman , how long have you been running yours matey ?

Ok so , basically i have more or less had a chris king in my life for the past god knows how many years. don’t get me wrong it has never held me back and has always engaged when i smash my pedals down , however it has skipped on me on a few occasions when i have put light pressure when hopping ect. so I have been looking at other options to the king , I’m now 13.5 stone so I am not a light rider , people who know me will tell you I’m not the smoothest out there and like to throw myself off stuff I wouldn’t want something skipping/breaking on me, so I’m after something that is strong , plenty of engagements, and reliable, I appreciate the fact that maintenance will have to be done to whatever i buy but keeping things simple is preferred , i.e. servicing of a king the price is not a issue i just want what works. Pro2 , when i first brought the chris king the thing that attracted me at first was the 72 clicks, now how would people compare going from a 72 click hub to a pro2 (46 i think ) did you find any difference when gapping or in any move in general really just waiting for it to engage ? from what i have read they seem pretty concrete on the skipping front, however i did see in the past completely split apart hubs, what’s the deal with that ? i heard that they were revised ? Front freewheels Now back in the day i remember the white industries being all the talk, but from a quick glance on the net there is now alot more options so what is the front on these? what seems to be the most popular, strongest and reliable nower days?, now i am not to keen on the look of the 108 click freewheels as I remember vincent hermance snapping try all free wheel in to bits on a video somewhere, however I’m sure this was when they were in the design stages ? Any help/info would be much appreciated . Many thanks Paul

sick mike ! sorry i cant be there for london will congrigate soon Paul

will be in for bout 12 ish probs meet everyone at castle park

nay hes moving in to his new pad .. i have room in my car but you would have to get to tamworth .

righty looking at getting a new set of cranks i have narrowed it down to these 2 trialtechs Try-All Expert ISIS ok so to me .. they basicly "look" the same but the thing i am struggleing with is the fact that the trialtechs are made out of 6061 which isnt as strong as the try-all 7075 now what i was wondering is would people say that 6061 be better as it would be less brittle and more likely to flex or would you say to go for the try all as it is a stronger material. many thanks Paul

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blood good vid sidehops are getting better back on my bike next week we will tear this shiz apart !!!!

sick as foooook !!!!!!!! back on my bike again very soon peeps !!

sicko sweet riding from everyone !!!

sick blood we need more lines haha

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anyone up for it ?? gimmie a call on 07814718999 i have lost all my numbers so have no riders in my phone