JT!

Oh God, this means he'll be legally be able to have access into nightclubs etc. This can't be a good thing. Have a gooden!

Come on just one little pic.

Ah ok then. That's my theory out the window. Twice as powerful it is!

As much as i hate tats, i'd love to see a sonic one.

Did any frames make it over seas (apart from TRA's)?

I understand all that, but i'm just not 100% clear on what Shaun is refering to, i'm not trying to argue anything i just really don't understand. So where is the device located that corrects for wear on the pads and the initial adjustment, in the leaver, on at the actual brake?

It would if that piston / bore interface has an effect on the movement of the leaver.... ... if it's a system in the leaver that dictates how close the pads are to the to the disc, then wouldn't that mean the leaver wouldn't actually be moving twice as far because it would put all 4 pistons much closer to the disc?

You might want to look at your own attitude before you start commenting on mine. You're expecting to make these frames and sell them, but it's down to the customer to work out how to get it shipped for a reasonable amount? You're attitude throughout this whole thread with regards to anything other than making the frame has been terrible, refusing to organize anything, calling us all children for not been able to organize it, at one point asking for $100 from us each, and then throwing even more insults at us at a whole because we won't pay that or come up with any other ideas. Where as my attitude hasn't been much else than constructive criticism.

24" street bikes aren't nice to ride IMO, but then again I ride natural, no my opinion is worthless, just like that guy on OTN. I had a quick go on a 24" bike, it kind of felt like trying to ride trials on a MTB. Then i nearly launched myself over the bars because i forgot that the brakes were on the other way round.

This is a joke, as someone who will be flying between the USA and the UK pretty much every 4 months willing to transit frames back and forth which I've said i would do at the beginning of this thread (and also in a PM i believe) you would have thought when i tell you that you're postage price is wrong (and it is wrong, i found a couple of places that'd do it for around 70 pounds ~ $120 at that weight and dimension) you would take that advice rather than just leave me some shitty sarcastic comment like you've done before. You can consider my offer declined and you can go look up your won postage prices. Like you said yourself it's got nothing to do with me so why should i bother helping you out, just be thankful the people who are trying to help you like Adam at tartybikes don't end up feeling the same way.

Yeah but the bigger pad has more surface area contact so they equal each other out, i know how it works i just couldn't ever find the right words to describe it. Well this is as far as we've got, at first people thought it'd be the same until a few people explained about it would techncally increase the pistons sise, however the leaver would be moving about twice as much. My question is if you connected two hope mono trials to one leaver, how would the auto adjustment work, i feel that the auto adjustment would mean that the leaver would pull the same as if it was connected to one, ulmiately meaning that the answer to the OP's question would be that it would be the same power as one. It all hinges on what the auto adjustment would do.

That's a really useful paragraph, i can never put it into words, the obvious thought is the bigger the pads the better the brake and it's really difficult to put down into words why that isn't true. No one seems to know the answer to my question about what would happen if one leaver was attached to two hope mono trials, so i'm going to ask an engineer / trials rider when i see him some time over the weekend, he'll definitely know.

I don't think anyone hates 24" bikes. The DannyMc vid has made 24" bikes, and general street riding a little more popular, but really 24" bikes were really picking up pace long before his vid. I'm still waiting for 24" comp / tgs frame personally. I think some people refer to 24" street riders as more towards bmxers i guess, but at the end of the day if you have a small sprocket and a good rear brake, you're riding trials. The lines always get blurred in any sport, to consider them not trials bikes / trials riders is just idiocy.

Well yeah, which makes me believe the guy who was going on about opposing forces is wrong. I still don't see why 'opposing forces' would reduce the power of a brake. Heat = friction, friction = heat.

Well, I might have twisted Marks words a little.

Someone once told me not one BMXer has ever hit their head while riding. Link for vid?

But the backing isn't physically been pushed by the same leaver that is pushing the other pad. It's hard to get your head around. After thinking about it for a while, i don't think it's right, i don't think two pads been forced in opposing directions is going to make it weaker.

Yeah but the stiffness and rigidity of the other side isn't pushing back in the opposite direction.

Holey shit! That's interesting! So why do people design breaks with opposing piston designs at all?! No one is doubting anymore that two hope mono trials connected to one leaver is going to be twice as powerful in theory. What i'm asking is if it was done physically, would the auto pad adjustment mean that actually, the system would adjust it's self so the leaver pulls like it would when it was connected to one, meaning it would end up being as powerful as just one.

I said 270 god damn it!!! Did you get it?

So, I was talking to my brother the other day and he said there was a kind of movie that filled in the gap in the last episode, it's called "Prison Break 'The final break'". Just watched it, has anyone else? What did you think?

Well if Adam says it's twice as powerful, it's twice as powerful, he's got god knows how much experience and an engineering degree, I've got 3 years working at Cost Cutters. I'm just questioning what'll happen to the leaver as it'll be pulled. I would have assumed that the open system would put the pads twice as close to the rotor that it would with one, the leaver pull would be the same as if it was connected to one, the power would be halved over each brake totaling the same stopping power as if it was connected to one. But then again i don't really know how open systems work, anyone know? I figure this is what is up for debate now as it'll answer the original question. God I love these threads.