I've tried five or six different Echo Brakes ( aka Dengura ), and from my experience this is what I've come up with. Pros: Rear calipers are a little smaller so they give you more cranks clearance. The brakes are CNC so there a bit lighter, and look very nice. Lever blade is longer then the Magura hydraulic rim brake so they get more power. Cons: These brakes leak if you bleed them with water. TPA ( adjusting knob ) is hard to use because it's quite small. The brake has a squeshy feeling ( becouse of the longer lever blade giving it more leverage ) Cheers!