cheers lads, iv over played it now and i think it looks poo, but obviously not that poo! i cant tap, i dont know why, ive been tryin to learn for ages but nothing ever comes of it, so i just go all out on run ups and hope i get up it!!! i will get someone to post up my video on tv.sgi when its done. mind you, wont be for a little while though! thanks for the replies, tell your friends!! Adzy