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Umm it says titanium on the frame and i can't think of any other reason for it to be over 600 quid.

I have one an I can promise it's definitely not titanium. It has titanium stickers on it is because the fully built 221ti has a few titanium parts on it 'apparently'.

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I have one an I can promise it's definitely not titanium. It has titanium stickers on it is because the fully built 221ti has a few titanium parts on it 'apparently'.

there y'are.

O_o F**K paying 610 quid for that then, wouldn't pay that even if it was TI, but If its alu, what makes it worth that ammount of money, anyone know?

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It's got monty written on the side of it. They charge lots, riders pay up to have the latest thing. f**king marvellous system if you ask me.

Doesn't quite work for a get-rich-quick scheme though :( Gotta be an established brand.

£600?

£600?!

Its worth £300, mod frames go for around that.

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Its worth £300, mod frames go for around that.

Tell that to the few hundred riders in the UK who pay the premium to have the extra performance associated with the top of the range Monty 221Ti's. Or how about the Monty Kamel's which will cost £950 frame only, or the Koxx Boxx which retails for £999 frame only. People still pay it though because they know they're pretty much getting the best.

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Tell that to the few hundred riders in the UK who pay the premium to have the extra performance associated with the top of the range Monty 221Ti's. Or how about the Monty Kamel's which will cost £950 frame only, or the Koxx Boxx which retails for £999 frame only. People still pay it though because they now they're pretty much getting the best.

Top dollar for top kit, isn't it?

I guess its targetted its market quite well, but to someone who wouldn't like to spend £300 on a frame, its a bit steep. I also ride like i don't need to spend £600+ on a frame - not big :P

I like the kamel, sort of.

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I wouldn't really say that the 221Ti frame was a "Top bit of kit", "The best", or anything else that might get associated with something that cost that much. Equally, as was shown by Koxx with their $60 from Taiwan/RRP of £400 Levelboss frames, the name adds to the price massively. I can't believe they've made the Montys even more expensive though. I nearly dropped a log when I saw that they were £530 originally, and I don't mean that in a "riding natural" context.

Anyways, Global used to make ti frames, Raleigh (I think) made a ti frame for Ian Cooper, other brands have played with ti too, but the global price of ti is pretty huge now - RNC, a BMX company that used to specialise in making pimpy ti bits, had to shut down 'cos it wasn't financially viable any more.

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the name adds to the price massively.

Sucks that, doesn't it?

Is pure titatium actually good for bike parts?

I'm pretty sure its got some good characteristics, but it has one weakness that is the reason it's alloyed so often. I just can't remember what it is.

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Yeah, fair enough. What I'm getting at is that people will pay the money to have something which is reasonably well thought out, light and (most importantly) seen to be optimum machine for the job, probably because someone like Kenny Belaey, Vincent Hermance or whoever ride it. However, those with a bit more sense (like me!) buy the 221Pr which is under a kilo heavier than the Ti, yet has the same geometry and will (possibly has?) outlast any 221Ti... Which is why I'm waiting to find out when the 220 Kamel will be released and how much it will cost becuse f**k paying £950 for some aluminium tubing!

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The way it doesn't fatigue like alu does is pretty nice. I'm sure you already know it, but aluminium fatigues in a cumulative way, i.e. every bit of stress it receives adds to killing the frame. With ti, it doesn't. The downside to it is that it flexes more, from what I can tell? They have a pretty unique ride feel to them, one that not everyone would agree on, IMO. I've never been particularly won over by ti, but that's just me I guess.

Yeah, fair enough. What I'm getting at is that people will pay the money to have something which is reasonably well thought out, light and (most importantly) seen to be optimum machine for the job, probably because someone like Kenny Belaey, Vincent Hermance or whoever ride it. However, those with a bit more sense (like me!) buy the 221Pr which is under a kilo heavier than the Ti, yet has the same geometry and will (possibly has?) outlast any 221Ti... Which is why I'm waiting to find out when the 220 Kamel will be released and how much it will cost becuse f**k paying £950 for some aluminium tubing!

(Y) I thought you were subscribing to the "Money = awesome" rule that people seem to apply, but apparently not. Good to hear :)

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(Y) I thought you were subscribing to the "Money = awesome" rule that people seem to apply, but apparently not. Good to hear :)

No chance! I was shocked and appauled by the price of the XTP when it first came out and will probably never pay more than £400 for a trials frame, at an absolute maximum. I got the 221Pr and upgraded it slightly and it's lasted me over 18 months and still going strong. Plus I could buy 4 Pr frames for the price of 1 Ti... it just doesn't seem worth it for how I ride and what I use the bike for. Again with the Kamel, I like the design but would never pay that much for a frame. Hopefully the 220 Kamel will come in at a more reasonable amount... we'll see.

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I used to have the Triton titanium 20". Its difficult to say really, its hard to pick good and bad points about using Ti as a material. Yes, it was lighter, but I dont think I could say that I noticed the difference in weight when riding it. By the time it was built up, it didnt exactly seem "amazingly light" or anything, but could have possibly been down to the parts that I used.

As Mark said, Ti does flex a fair bit. I had to run 2 boosters to stop the rear end flexing, and even hopping on the rear wheel or preloading, you could feel a slight flex. It wasnt anything major, like it was made out of play-doh, and in some cases, gave you that extra little bit of spring, but it never really insipred you with confidence.

The upside to it, was the material was reasonably thick and durable, and very hard to dent. I dont think I managed to put any considerable dents in mine, as opposed to my XTP that was made of tin foil and dented when I clamped it into my bikerack :S

The main problem with using Ti was the cost issue. Its very very expensive to get hold of, and also quite hard to find people with the skills to weld it. Its not the same as alu and needs special requirements to weld which again, is expensive to set up. There have been several attempts but I think all failed due to the price of the frames. Triton tried to keep costings down, but even they were well over £700 for the frame, but compared to Koxxs range of frames, doesnt seem quite as rediculous

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gotta appreciate the amount of thought that has gone into the monty though, The slight bend and the top to maintain the stiffness of the front end, Paint job with chromo bits on where the bike is likely to get scratched, its a very well designed bike. Not just some shit put together. Which would give one a certain amount of reason to pay significant amount of money for it.

it has to be said though.. its very much on the high end.

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