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Crackdown On Illegal Downloads


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So you may have seen on the news today that Isps are cracking down on illegal downloads including file sharing in the form of limewire, torrents etc.

Bbc news

So does anybody know the deal with this? How do the isps know you're illegally downloading? Or do they just guess if they see your downloading a lot of stuff.

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The fact is, they can't know what you're downloading unless they look. They can only assume - oh, he's downloaded 30gb this month, he must be doing illegal downloading.

Again - they're gonna hit a few people, make a point, then bugger off.

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The fact is, they can't know what you're downloading unless they look. They can only assume - oh, he's downloaded 30gb this month, he must be doing illegal downloading.

Again - they're gonna hit a few people, make a point, then bugger off.

I'm sure that theyve been saying this all year and most years before this, its just another scare tactic so that the a few people will go "oh shit i better stop downloading"

Like said above, they can only monitor the amount of traffic not actually look at your packets of data as it breaches some type of confidentiality, so basically they are just going to rape the users that actually use the service to the limits they are paying for whether it be legally or illegally.

It's not as though they dont throttle our speeds enough like hell anyway

Also there are several music artists out there who have literally gone and put up there songs onto torrent sites to be downloaded, so is downloading them legally going to be classed as illegal because its file sharing

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I'm sure that theyve been saying this all year and most years before this, its just another scare tactic so that the a few people will go "oh shit i better stop downloading"

Like said above, they can only monitor the amount of traffic not actually look at your packets of data as it breaches some type of confidentiality, so basically they are just going to rape the users that actually use the service to the limits they are paying for whether it be legally or illegally.

I thought that as well, with them not being able to check what your actually downloading. But I'm not sure this time around because the Government is involved, so I'm not sure if they've changed something meaning they can look to see what your doing exactly.

Also, where would you stand if you download loads, but you just said you download a lot of legal content, it sounds like people aren't going to have any rights or justice if they get warnings.

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Why not use your own ISP's newsgroups? Might only have a few weeks retention but good for a LOT of stuff. And because it's on their own servers, not the internet, it's blazing fast.

But the icing on the cake? Because it's their own servers, they're VERY unwilling to say whether the stuff being downloaded is legal or illegal, because if they say it's illegal stuff you're downloading, then they're liable for having it on their servers in the first place and 'making it available for download' which is the terminology used to prosecute file sharers at the minute.

They get away with it at the moment by saying that they are 'common carriers' of the content, like a tv network is not responsible for one of it's channels infringing copyright; that's the channels fault even though the network broadcast it. That's becasue the network broadcasts the stuff *no matter what*. If it started identifying illegal stuff that it was broadcasting, as opposed to just broadcasting it all, that makes it its own fault.

No ISP wants to be the one to open that can of legal worms, as it is expensive.

You're scotch free, for now.

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I wondered how long it would be before this came up in the news again...slow news day perhaps.

There is little they can do to the 'small time' downloaders; fair enough they can monitor your internet activity and get your IP address, and only the ISP will know who had that IP address at that particular time. Thanks to the Data Protection Act they cannot give out these details without a court hearing to see if distrubting the details is worthy - a rather time consuming and expensive process, especially when most UK pirates will settle with an out of court claim (in previous cases around £2-5k).

Court action is carried out to 'reclaim' the losses of the producers; however becuase the file is downloaded, it is impossble to estimate how many people have downloaded it and how much the company has lost out on. This is why out of court claims are considerably low.

The one thing that concerns me about this is who do they decide to act on and who not to. A good percentage download music illegally; so who is the more guilty party, the file host or the downloader?

Takes this piss a bit really, considering all the child pornography on the internet and they're f**king about over people downloading f**king U2 songs...

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so who is the more guilty party, the file host or the downloader?

I guess both parties are equally as bad, without downloaders nobody would host, without hosts nobody would download...

I guess it depends on the severity - I mean if you download two tracks because you can't find them in the shops, is that as bad as the guy that is hosting a 120gb collection of albums?

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They can't rape you without proof, and for proof they need a court warrant to look at exactly what you've been downloading.

:giggle:

You don't half chat some shit. My housemate got a letter from NTL telling him to stop downloading illegal stuff - they do a three strike sort of thing. The letter said the exact day, date, time he broke the law and what was downloaded (the specific track). So obviously we'll be changing from NTL when we get a chance...

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