Sponge Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) Just hopping on to check emails before starting the day, and randomly punched in www.echobike.com... Surprise results!: "24" and 26" model use itegrative chain tensioner design, all 3 models come with Echo integrative BB set. 20" come with skiplate." 26" models with Spanish BB and integrated chain tensioner system. 24" pure trials orientated model with same BB and tensioning as stock. 20" in only one option: Spanish BB, disc+rim mounts. Echo 26"- Wheel base 1093mm, BB high 55mm, chainstays 383mm, head tube 105mm, head angle 72°. Echo 24"- Wheel base 1070mm, BB high 70mm, chainstays 360mm, head tube 105mm, head angle 72°. Echo 20"- Wheel base 1020mm, BB high 80mm, head tube 105mm, frame space 116mm, chain stays 351mm, head angle 72°. Zoo! 26"- Wheel base 1098mm, BB high 45mm, chain stays 383mm, head tube 100mm, head angle 72°. -Those eagle-eyed out there'll notice the tweaked/updated Echo disc brake! -さようなら ~ Vertical dropouts and Euro BBs no more. -If all the frames come with factory faced/reamed headtubes like it seems on the Zoo! frame then that's pretty sweet! -No word yet on a Zoo! 20", though it's a safe bet that it'll aesthetically be a smaller version of that 26" like previous years. All the info is on the Echobike site, but hopefully this topic should be easier for everyone to get the info they need and to discuss! Edited November 28, 2010 by Ares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 That 24" looks pretty much right on the money, should be interesting to see how they take off (or not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty221ti Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 nice geo´s. and super nice bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristaps Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Ahhhhhhhhhh that 24'' is just sex on wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Shucksmith Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Nice to see both disc and 4 bolt mounts on the 20" Echo. Horrible sounding geo, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex-trials-boy Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Gotta admit that echo 24" nd mod have well nice goe's i want that mod "beautiful"And all the coloured parts on the echo's are the orange or gold cuz they look more orange than anything to me?? and are zoo bringing out a 20"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 They're orange. Must say that the 24" looks perfect, first 24" bike that doesn't look like it's a stock with shrunk wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob. Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 They look ok i suppose but why change the zoo so much and hardly change the echo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Well.. I hope that on the 26" they designed it for a 18:15 ratio not some gay ass 18:16. Secondly the new dropouts dont appear to have the weak points the current dropouts have. A shame they upped the bb rise to 55mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Never thought i would buy a mod again, but now deng have made a 1020wb with 80bb. im buying one. any ideas when tarty will have them!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence--Trials Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 I want that mod! If only there was a short version. What are the prices though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 can´t see the pics ,could someone upload them again in different format or somethin?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt jumper jake Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 What are the prices though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 This obviously depends on the dealers in individual countries. I'm pricing the Echos a bit higher than the current GU LE frames, the ZOO is a bit more expensive due to the large amount of CNC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dd Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Spanish BB's - epic fail. I am liking the frames and drop outs though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukasMcNeal Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 24s and zoo 26 looks amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Sweet looking as always, just a pity the stocks aren't fitted with 120mm headtube for improved ride height and less need for stem stackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty99 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) i like the zoo! the most. cant believe Deng is serious about that tensioning "system" and they keep on hiding their disc brake pretty well Edited November 28, 2010 by Monty99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrider88 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 This obviously depends on the dealers in individual countries. I'm pricing the Echos a bit higher than the current GU LE frames, the ZOO is a bit more expensive due to the large amount of CNC. not so easy to tell,Gu Le were manufactured by other manufacturer,therefore they were more pricey.new Echo/Zoo stuff is produced by echo...My guess is that the price will be somewhere between piranha and Gu Le. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Spanish BB's - epic fail. f**k off, having massive bearings and massive axles with no added weight of the shell and stuff you get when you buy a normal BB is obviously bad your forced to use isis but theres no square taper cranks worth buying anyway. the TI one available now is lighter than the reset ti bb and it's the same price... Uses a larger bearing than traditional ISIS BBs, making it spin smoother for longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 not so easy to tell,Gu Le were manufactured by other manufacturer,therefore they were more pricey.new Echo/Zoo stuff is produced by echo...My guess is that the price will be somewhere between piranha and Gu Le. First off, GU is Echo. Secondly all frames including the '09 / '10 GU LE have been and still are made in the new Echo factory. And 3rd of all, I'm an Echo dealer (meaning Gu, Zoo Adamant and Czar too, because it's the same company). I haven't quoted the prices I'll be selling the new frames at since this is mostly a UK forum and it's up to your dealers to set them but I'm 99% sure that the general idea of the basic Echo frames costing more than the old Le will apply worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33th3tr33 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 That 20" is soooo sexy! Can't wait for the pics of the zoo! to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetrial Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 I actually really like the new lineup. Though, there are a few things I would add/change if it was up to me. First of all, I`d remove the not-yet-possibly-never-available TR disc brake from any pictures. As long as it`s not ready to buy, I`m not interested. Specially since the SL-version they showed us last year remains unavailable... The Echo lineup, specially the 26 and 24 could do with a tiny built in booster. I`d also space out the seatstays so that the 4-bolt mounts would sit "lower", and more inside the frame. In 2011 we should not have the need for external boosters! Last, but not least, the TR stems need a redesigned steerer tube clamp. Any company currently producing stems are trying their best to make stems that are less bulky, and won`t harm your knees or any other bodypart that might interact with it. Echo went in the opposite direction and made them around 60mm high! That is just wrong and ugly! On the other hand, the bar clamping area has become very sleek and functional. Tempted to give the Echo 26" a go, but might aswell end up with a much more expensive Kortz II. Limey 4 might be the golden middleway though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Gray Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 echo bikes live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 First of all, I`d remove the not-yet-possibly-never-available TR disc brake from any pictures. As long as it`s not ready to buy, I`m not interested. Specially since the SL-version they showed us last year remains unavailable... The Echo lineup, specially the 26 and 24 could do with a tiny built in booster. I`d also space out the seatstays so that the 4-bolt mounts would sit "lower", and more inside the frame. In 2011 we should not have the need for external boosters! Last, but not least, the TR stems need a redesigned steerer tube clamp. Any company currently producing stems are trying their best to make stems that are less bulky, and won`t harm your knees or any other bodypart that might interact with it. Echo went in the opposite direction and made them around 60mm high! That is just wrong and ugly! On the other hand, the bar clamping area has become very sleek and functional. I think it's good to 'preview' their upcoming products, at least we know they somewhat exist. But I'm guessing the reason why they're not so highly anticipated in the UK and Europe is because Hope is readily available and likely will not be much difference in price with the Echo disc brake. to be honest, the Echo disc is almost definitely something catered towards the domestic market in China as all other decent hydro brakes are from North American or European brands which are horribly expensive there. To say the least it's something to look at for the time being Seems these days the trend is going towards lighter and more simple looking frames whilst maintaining decent strength. I guess the lack of welded-on booster is nice for those people who don't like boosters or just want the lightest set up. Though to be fair, I'd trust a big sturdy 4-bolt booster over a welded on one. Agreed about the stems, his older ones had a design that looked fine and worked well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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