RicH_87 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 hahaha, how can you not love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 And you dont need to heel and toe when driving a car normally, or even a bit faster than normal... its pointless... (Y) No smoother than just moving your foot over from the brake to the throttle to get the revs up, and anyway, you shouldnt need to get the revs up that high for the next gear down unless your driving like a twat. So na ← im afraid, although i agree with everything else you say andy, im going to HAVE to TOTALLY 100% DISAGREE with that one.... i ALWAYS heel and toe in my mini.... ALWAYS. its NOTHING to do with going any faster, or smoother for that matter, (although it can be put to good use for both) i do it only to extend the working life of my incredibly expensive gearbox! gearboxes have synchros as we all know, and through use, synchros wear out.... by double de-clutching and using my foot across both pedals, i am able to blip the throttle ready for the next gear (say 3rd down to 2nd) while slowing down for the approaching corner, matching the revs in this way leaves the synchro with almost NO work to do to mesh 2nd gear, and thus doesnt wear it out! i can definately feel the difference, changing gear normally now feels slow and horrid, i havnt done a 'normal' change in my mini sinse the first week of my new engine with a bit of practise double de-clutching becomes second nature, and unless your driving a really modern car, it DOES extend the life of your box.... many people with escorts will know about dodgy 3rd gear synchros! bigmans is TERRIBLE, it grinds everytime u try for 3rd, unless you give it 4 hours to think about it! back to JC- i couldnt care less what anyone thinks, the man IS the closest living thing to GOD, he IS so cool because hes blatently not and he really doesnt give a shite! his use of the english language is amazing,the man is a legend!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted August 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 (edited) i respect what you say prawn, as you said ti nicely. although i still dnt think people get i dont drive supidly fast......nvm im waiting for my uncle to take me for my next lesson, in his mini hopefully :P ps. update on the topic, looks like the 106 XSI (1.4) might be my next car, pretty similar to the rallye, dont look as good though :) but there cheap, so im not guna be too bothered if it dies :ermm: i can imagine exactly how you drive prawn, as i have a few mates ( and uncle) who are the same, and they are very willing to teach me thangs :P Dave :D edit: andyroo, stop talking crap and read those faq's Edited August 21, 2005 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 im afraid, although i agree with everything else you say andy, im going to HAVE to TOTALLY 100% DISAGREE with that one.... i ALWAYS heel and toe in my mini.... ALWAYS. its NOTHING to do with going any faster, or smoother for that matter, (although it can be put to good use for both) i do it only to extend the working life of my incredibly expensive gearbox! gearboxes have synchros as we all know, and through use, synchros wear out.... by double de-clutching and using my foot across both pedals, i am able to blip the throttle ready for the next gear (say 3rd down to 2nd) while slowing down for the approaching corner, matching the revs in this way leaves the synchro with almost NO work to do to mesh 2nd gear, and thus doesnt wear it out! i can definately feel the difference, changing gear normally now feels slow and horrid, i havnt done a 'normal' change in my mini sinse the first week of my new engine with a bit of practise double de-clutching becomes second nature, and unless your driving a really modern car, it DOES extend the life of your box.... many people with escorts will know about dodgy 3rd gear synchros! bigmans is TERRIBLE, it grinds everytime u try for 3rd, unless you give it 4 hours to think about it! back to JC- i couldnt care less what anyone thinks, the man IS the closest living thing to GOD, he IS so cool because hes blatently not and he really doesnt give a shite! his use of the english language is amazing,the man is a legend!" ← But why would you need to heel and toe? Why cant, you brake and clutch, then move your foot from the brake to the throttle, and give it a blip as you lift up the clutch? Theres no need to be braking and blipping the throttle, because you arent treducing speed dramatically enough to need a smooth change that fast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 I want one!! Finally a car that bridges the gap between coolness (mini) and do upableness. I admit its nowhere near as cool as a mini but still it has its own kind of uniqueness. And also is waaaay more practical! Right better get saving then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 But why would you need to heel and toe? Why cant, you brake and clutch, then move your foot from the brake to the throttle, and give it a blip as you lift up the clutch? Theres no need to be braking and blipping the throttle, because you arent treducing speed dramatically enough to need a smooth change that fast? ← when you heel and toe, you've still got your foot on the brake, and are under some sembelance of control, as opposed to when you shift your foot across to the loud pedal to blip it, you're freewheeling and not on the brakes. As well, you can brake more gently cos you are braking for longer. Its just a nice smooth way to do things, and something else to learn and perfect. After driving vehicles with syncro boxes and without, i'd rather have without, simply because you actually have to use your mind (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butcha87 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I want one!! Finally a car that bridges the gap between coolness (mini) and do upableness. I admit its nowhere near as cool as a mini but still it has its own kind of uniqueness. And also is waaaay more practical! Right better get saving then! ← A Rallye is nowhere near as "do upable" as a mini!Unless you want to plaster a sick bodykit on it! (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 But why would you need to heel and toe? Why cant, you brake and clutch, then move your foot from the brake to the throttle, and give it a blip as you lift up the clutch? Theres no need to be braking and blipping the throttle, because you arent treducing speed dramatically enough to need a smooth change that fast? ← when you heel and toe, you've still got your foot on the brake, and are under some sembelance of control, as opposed to when you shift your foot across to the loud pedal to blip it, you're freewheeling and not on the brakes. As well, you can brake more gently cos you are braking for longer. Its just a nice smooth way to do things, and something else to learn and perfect. After driving vehicles with syncro boxes and without, i'd rather have without, simply because you actually have to use your mind (Y) ← i think edds summed it up perfectly.... one other thing ill add andyroo, think about it, whats the point in blipping the throttle while your foot is still on the clutch? that does absolutely nothing other than make a noise.... your foot has to be OFF the clutch when u blip it,and the gear lever in neutral, in order to spin up the first motion shaft to match with the speed of the gear your selecting.... (theyre all spinning all the time, its just which ones are engaged to the layshaft that determine the gear your in....) i also agree with edd that while your still braking your still under control, which is always a nice thing. without wanting to offend ANYONE, some people are drivers, and some people drive cars.... theres a massive difference EDIT: to some people, driving is a very convinient way of getting from A-B in a short time in relative comfort.... to me, its as much of an art form as any sport, like trials, or tennis, or even golf! its something you have strong points in, and bad points, and something i will always be trying to perfect, its not just about going fast, its about learning how to be safe, and use the road properly.... i CANT STAND people who cant use their cars properly, and retards who dont know when tehy should change gear.... its an art form.... perfect it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 i think edds summed it up perfectly.... one other thing ill add andyroo, think about it, ← The point of blipping the throttle while you have the clutch down is to raise the revs in the engine to match those of the gear you will be in when you lift the clutch up... so its almost simulaneous, rev a bit and lift up the clutch, so the engine is goin the right speed for that gear, thus giving you asmoother gearchange, and with a swap from the brake to throttle quickly so you dont coast for more than a second... I dont see whats so better about heel and toeing than what i just described.... i think were gonna have to meet and demonstrate out different techniques or something... (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 LOL @ you lot! 106's are fine. They aren't racing cars, so all this racing technique talk is bollocks. Unless you drive a racing car or an Evo or something, the difference isn't that noticable. This Rallye, does it do 0 - 60 in less then 7? If not, forget all this racing shite and just drive normally, not like a cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 A Rallye is nowhere near as "do upable" as a mini!Unless you want to plaster a sick bodykit on it! :blink: ← They are indeed, And standard skirts would stay, no crappy stealth fighter looks. 1.3 engine, racing gearbox, 100 bhp. Is some serious potential there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 (edited) They are indeed, And standard skirts would stay, no crappy stealth fighter looks. 1.3 engine, racing gearbox, 100 bhp. Is some serious potential there. ← Not really, they already have a high lift cam. Hence to "rallye rattle". New manifold, free flow exhuast, performance air filter, decat if you can, better plugs and leads and a re map. Thats not alot of potential.... Edited August 22, 2005 by derf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Not really, they already have a high flow cam. Hence to "rallye rattle". New manifold, free flow exhuast, performance air filter, decat if you can, better plugs and leads and a re map. Thats not alot of potential.... ← Poo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Not really, they already have a high lift cam. Hence to "rallye rattle". New manifold, free flow exhuast, performance air filter, decat if you can, better plugs and leads and a re map. Thats not alot of potential.... ← Turbo conversion or Supercharger.... Pointless, but thought i'd add it B) You'd need to be a bit sad to spend that much on a 106... as a first car / nip-around they are good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonney@X-Street Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 whats the point in talking about heel-toeing unless you drive a rear wheel drive car? B) ! Get a 306 mate :P used to love mine, absolute beast! get it lowered and it handles like a kart. But then if you want summin more reliable and more power go for summin german or jap. Love my new golf, 0-60 in 7 seconds, tops out at 150 and christ it handles like a dream. But we all make mistakes, i was overtaking a lorry behind another car and didn't see the big hidden dip ahead and a car came up the other side, good ol ABS sorted that but it was close. So i would say you are never a "good" driver or a "great" driver, its more experience than anything else :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 While we're on the subject of driving techniques, is there anything I can do to prevent horrible gearbox grind when I put the car in reverse? If the revs are even slightly above idle, the gearbox crunches as I move the stick into reverse. I don't understand. No syncromesh for reverse? PS It's a Polo 1.6 manual B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Yer but its not as good, as it all has to turn backwards if you get what I mean. To stop it, double clutch (foot down, foot off then foot down) and change into reverse. Or move the stick across, wait a second then fully into gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butcha87 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 WTF is a Rallye anyway?The 106 GTi is actually regarded as one of the best handling cars in the world, I dunno if anyone has seen an old Top Gear, or maybe a Clarkson video where Richard Burns, Clarkson and some Touring car driver rate cars on their handling. Ferrari 550 came first, then the 106 GTi!It beat cars like the Nissan Skyline( Drives itself!) and the Lotus Elise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Yer but its not as good, as it all has to turn backwards if you get what I mean. To stop it, double clutch (foot down, foot off then foot down) and change into reverse. Or move the stick across, wait a second then fully into gear. ← Wouldn't it stall though? I'm confused about the whole double clutch thing. :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butcha87 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Stop the car,clutch down, select neutral, clutch up whilst in neutral, clutch down , select reverse, reverse away without crunch! :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Stop the car,clutch down, select neutral, clutch up whilst in neutral, clutch down , select reverse, reverse away without crunch! :D ← Ah, that makes sense. :huh: Who can tell the learner driver? (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishwog Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Errrr....... just because the clutch is down, it doesn't mean the gearbox isn't still moving.... The gearbox is attatched to the wheel's, and still spins forward when the wheel's are moving forward, so if you try to go into reverse whilst the wheels are still moving forward, the gearbox is still moving forward.... hence the crunching.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 No, it's not that. It makes a REALLY bad crunch if you try and put it in reverse while going forward. But this is while sitting in the drive, even before I've moved anywhere. So I don't see how it would help to double de clutch, because the transmission hasn't started moving anyway... I'll try it anywho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 try putting it in fifth, or first, or any of the other gears first, that will stop the first shaft spinning, then it should go silently into reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 try putting it in fifth, or first, or any of the other gears first, that will stop the first shaft spinning, then it should go silently into reverse. ← No it also does it after I've been moving forwards (ie in first or whatever) then stopped and reversed, not just when I start off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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