mat hudson Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 koxx some of the best trials bikes in the world and therefore must have quality parts on them onza make reasonably priced bikes so they must be lacking some of the quality that koxx have. koxx levelboss. 60 quid out of the factory. check out the mark up on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Poyzer @ Onza Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Sorry to come in late on this topic but I have been away for a couple of weeks. I do feel that there are still points to be made. Our Tensile brand uses the subtext "optimum" on all our products and we feel that it is a fair reflection of our position. We have been developing this freewheel for over two years now as many will confirm. We have tried many different combinations and have had a prototype of a 96 click version for over a year. We settled on a 60 click with 3 sets of two pawls operating on a 20 tooth ring. This gives a sizeable tooth pick up size and a short travel distance for the "hammer" effect which in our opinion is the main killer of pawls. The 108 click freewheel is no great leap of technology. It just means the same three pairs of pawls operating in a 36 tooth ring. This means you sacrifice tooth depth for increasing clicks. We feel that the optimum is our chosen path and we have exhaustively tested the various options over a long period. Time will tell whether our decision is correct but we have sold now over a 1000 worldwide and orders are still flooding in. We are a British company and although made abroad the profits come back here to the UK. Our freewheel is available now to sell and has had excellent reviews both here and abroad. As always though you pay your money and take your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 i agree mike. the freewheels are similar in price BUT paying for different pickup. i havent seen inside a Try-all freewheel but its probably the same as a tensile. who knows?JT.................if you have a front freewheel BELOW your power transfer (which is your legs) the power is more direct. therefore is more transferable, i have noticed this with riding an ENO on the front of My BOW. if you disagree with that. then ok, you disagree BUT what i would put forward is, i have ridden trials for 5 years, i have used a shimano hub and a chris king hub and literally most options available, when i put front freewheel on, i said STRAIGHT away to Feeley and Lovatt, i could feel a difference in the freewheel, i didnt have to put as much effort in, BUT when i was putting the same amount of effort in i was gaining more reward. i have sidehopped 52" to two wheels on my bow, which i have found hard to do even on my kenny belaey at times, i think the max i had done was 51" so to get an extra inch out of front freewheel its put me in a position where i will go back to pro2 T rear hub see if its just my mind playing tricks or weather it is FACT. if it is fact i will lock the pro2 T out and still use that as my rear hub and still use the ENO on the front.i dont know if you understand that. but your chain HAS to tension, therefore in a rear hub, the push on the cranks, then the tension in the chain THEN the engagement in the hub.THEN the freewheel method. Tension in the chain after the force put on the pedals works quicker, as the load is under your foot and not literally 1 foot away from you at the rear hub.this is only in my opinion though. i really need to put my wheels that wo in my Caisso/Belaey into my Bow and see if i can feel a difference.Waynio........................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Nah wayne, a rear free wheel would tension in the same way, unless the actual length of chain between the front fixed cog and rear freehub would make a differance, but I can't imagine it realy. I had thought the same myself, but as long as you have your tension in the chain before you let go of the brake, it will all go to the back wheel regardless of where your freewheel is placed, because it is allready engaged....and surley the tray all freewheel internals will be differant from the tensile if it has so many more ep's? reading through all that stuff about tooth depth and such there would have to be a differance to achieve the higher number of ep's?That said, i'm now waiting for this one to come out before I go and buy a tensile.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 JT.........Yeah but when your freewheel engaages, you effectivly have a fixed system for a short period of time. Same goes witha rear casette hub. Making both sytems exactly the same when pedal kicking. So really it shouldn't make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 so let me get this straight wayne. you can get an inch higher on your bow than your belay, but its because of the front freewheel. right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Surely after 5 years you'd have learnt to preload before you take off for gaps/sidehops Wayne? Or is that not the ''in'' way ''to'' do it ''now''? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Surely after 5 years you'd have learnt to preload before you take off for gaps/sidehops Wayne? Or is that not the ''in'' way ''to'' do it ''now''? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakley Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 just get a king and stop messing about vincent and benito!!!and as for every one else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backgren Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I haven't checked here for a while, but just to make what I wrote last time a bit more clear, I'll add: so in thoery its like saying this 3:2 ration on a Try-All freewheel will be MEGA!!! Yes. it would, if you had it on the rear with a 27t front cog... THEN you will be able to use the mechanical advantage, the whole gearing bit. This thread is going down, not too interesting now. Wait for the product to be available, try it out, judge it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 i feel there is a difference.like i put, i havent even put my rear "freewheel" hub wheel back on, as iv been using the Eno. and fixed at the back. i FEEL a difference.alot of people have got on my bike and said its different, weather it is the pick up difference i dont know, BUT there is something different about it, maybe a should put an ACS on or something with less pick up.Waynio.....................it would be nice to see the freewheels out and see what feedback they do end up getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOXX-UK Posted June 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) With a little luck the new freewheels should be with us by the weekend. If they arrive in time I will bring some up to TYKES competition. Now I've said this they will be late!I'm keen to see how the production models hold up, the pre production models have lasted well under test.Having the lock ring held in place against the crank arm could prove to be a great advantage, it cannot come loose, seems to be a common fault with some other products. Edited June 6, 2006 by KOXX-UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Haha, i love the sly digs against tensile If these are as good as they sound, then i may try one if i ever go rear disk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 If these are as good as they sound, then i may try one if i ever go rear disk.Eh? Why would you wanna go rear disk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Geary Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Eh? Why would you wanna go rear disk?Maybe he's sick of running a Magura, V ? ... or what ever, who gives a shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Maybe he's sick of running a Magura, V ? ... or what ever, who gives a shit I meant, why would he only try one if hes goes rear disk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I meant, why would he only try one if hes goes rear disk Balance the weight back out? bit more room etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Hes gat a chris king BMX hub/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towler Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Haha, i love the sly digs against tensile Its digs at pretty much all free wheels.... Quite right too, they all have disadvantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Its digs at pretty much all free wheels.... Quite right too, they all have disadvantages.shut up towler, u love boys.........your a disadvantage to us all.monkey boyyou got your koxx cranks from fred yet? if not email him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Will this freewheel be avaliable in 16 tooth.?Cheers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I think it said on otn there will be a 16t one yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 I meant, why would he only try one if hes goes rear disk Indeedy, my king is the don. But until they make me a rear disk king, i would go with the ffw crew if i ever changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Will Arnold Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 jonathan trillo is a gay.have you even tried one? putting people off before they have even been released??!! idiot! atleast give them a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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