hmm i see, 2005 onza t-pro (for a beginner - ME), ill see if i can find any around where i live. i dont think i will get a pro super t-zone multiplier, or whatever its called (the one over 1000 pounds) im sure it is worth every penny, and i will be sure to keep that in mind when i get better. thanks guys, been a real help. ps. if i dont find the 2005 onza t-pro - what should i look for in a bike - light frame - no suspension - type of brakes ( front, back or both) - 20" for an average height guy - type of wheels - tyres - etc etc etc - Thanks again, im much closer to getting a bike, then i was a few days ago, Cheers Project7