Hi again Thanks for the advice, Seems I have bought the bike, got this one with hope of doing downhill stuff, which is awesome but, kinda wanna do more and trials really caughtmy eye, its unlikely that i will be able to get another bike or frame, if i dont should i just give up untill i can get a frame with a more suited geometery or should i keep on trying with this one? And if i do get a new frame, could i still use it for downhill/single track stuff? The frame is a Giant's Small which i believe is a 17"? by the way Many thanks for all your advice Dave