MasterDee

Yea I already played with mutliple stems and spacers im not blaming the xc frame its just where the angle of the entire frame is shifted because of the forks, if I had a long enough steerer tube it could be possible to put spacers underneath the crown racer on the forks however my steerer tube isnt long enough =( Tried different stems on the trials bike but to no avail, I kind of wish I never bought the pace I used to have an orange zero which was godly all round. Anyway thanks for the advice

Muhahaha I was just looking at the inspired bikes, I think I might get a four play there seem to be claims that its good for manuals and such. Yea I know manuals got nothing to do with trials but I would really love a bike that I can have some manual fun on and still ride trials, Inspired fourplay.... seems to be the way to go. Anyone want to buy a Pace RC250T frame? =O

Actually I think I could be interested in running front sus also, so if anyone has any ideas on a street frame that would suit my trials and manualing needs id love to hear em =)

Hey peeps, I have a rather strange question regarding geometry, Basically I have a pace RC250 team which has quite a short rear triangle its pretty handy when your on the back wheel however, when rolling along the front end is almost impossible to pick up it requires such a sudden shift of weight to get it up when it does come up its very violent ultimately what im looking to do is sell my pace and build a street/trials bike and my goal is to have a bike that is extremely easy to manual which also makes hopping over things easyer =) I am aware there are many variables to achieve the desired feel and I think I am correct in saying the length of the forks is one of the prime factors? I ride a titanium airborne black widow for XC, recently I spent £600 on a nice new set of fox F series forks however I managed to epic fail when I decided that 120mm of travel would be more than enough (in the past I have only ever rode 140mm) what I didnt know is that 120mm forks are actually a fair bit shorter than 140mm forks and I ended up ruining the entire geometry of my XC bike which I also used to be able to pick the front end up every easily on. Anyway so the fun is now gone from my XC ride and I want to build something I can have a bit of fun on, looking for something very lightweight that I can ride trials on and mainly I want to be able to manual it with ease perhaps 24" would be better? I realise some people will say its about skill and im sure to an extent thats correct with enough time I might be able to handle my pace, the point is I shouldnt have to break by back trying, a friend of mine has an Onza Trex (cheap thing totally stock) I rode that and it goes into a manual the second I lean back on it, almost scary so yea I would like something that handles better =) Advice/reccomendations on bikes and frames and generally how to achieve that manual factor ^^