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Pretty much done. Just got to fiddle around with the brakes and get them fine tuned and then shorten the hoses. And cut the steerer tube.
And of course it just started pissing rain for the first time in about 8 months.
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Build in progress. Just got to build the wheels tonight and then decide how short I want to cut the steerer tube.
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47 minutes ago, AndyT said:
Congratulations! Hope you find good fortune with that alias, I’ve been tempted myself but 13 bicycles is enough
only ride one or two of them.
Bah. It’s N+1 for bikes. Scientific fact.
Im at about the same and ride them all!
I also picked up a new park Bmx. So that’s filling the gap until the alias arrives.
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15 minutes ago, Swoofty said:
I ran a FFW on my Alias 20.1, but I'd definitely recommend an 18 or less up front for bash purposes. With a 22 up front, with or without a bash, it throws off your centering when you're on an obstacle on the bash/ring. I also was running 165 crank arms for the added clearance to ground, but I imagine now with a 135 rear end the clearance on the chainstay is more of an issue for longer arms. Super fun bike once you get it set up right.
I’ve ordered a screw on 18t front sprocket onto the trialtech sl forged cranks. I went for 165mm too. So im sure it’ll all play nicely with the hope hub set up. I’ll post pics when I get it built!
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On 10/04/2019 at 3:53 AM, Mark W said:
Fair enough
For gearing, I'd probably lean more towards 22:15, although that's slightly personal preference. I ran 22:14 with 175mm cranks on a mod years and years ago and it feels fairly heavy. For getting speed up it was nice, but I found I had to use a slightly different technique for gaps compared to my technique with a 'normal' gear as you don't quite get that same snap out of it. You have to really load it up and push through. It's hard to explain, but basically it muted the trials ability of my bike a bit. There is the chance that 22:15 would on the other hand feel a touch on the light side, but I think it would probably be better than being too heavy from my experience. I was stuck between 22:15 and 22:16 on my Arcade, but I've kept with 22:16 because even though it feels a little lighter than I would ideally have it enables my trials moves more than the 22:15 does.
So it turns out the 22t sprocket fits fine. But the crank arms hit the chain stays. So I’m going with a threaded crank and a screw on sprocket up front.
The alias 20.2 frames are now in stock. Looks like my build should ship out from tarty on Monday. Then I’ll have a furious session of wheelbuilding and then the fun begins.
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21 minutes ago, AndyT said:
I came in this thread to say you should get an alias. I’ve ridden a skye, not my jam- but at six feet tall aint for me..and I’m an old school rider- up and over smoothly is all im interested in, maybe a spin off but f off w those footjam spaz shit.
I competed with 221 x-lites and my last mod was a koxx level boss. I’ve ridden an alias w some weird brakes, but it felt nice... set it up w a whatever kind of stem/bar to fit your riding- it is versatile bike, will never be as good at todays competition bikes (which you would immediately throw in the garbage after riding), but I believe you’ll be much happier with it as opposed to fourplay/skye etc.
that being said, every now and then you’ll see a 221 on ebay... it definitey had a feel, nothing sidehops from both wheels/surges/wedges as nice imo... had some awesome rides on that lil blue beast !
edit/ and for wheelbase.. for some reason the numbers 990 and 1005 come to me ? my levelboss was a weirdo.. dont get one of those
I sold my Skye last week. Just ordered a nice new alias 20.2 build with lots of shiny parts. I’ll post pics when it arrives and I get the wheels built up. It’s satisfying building ones own wheels!
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59 minutes ago, Mark W said:
I'm not sure there's clearance on the frame for a 22t chainring on there, although I couldn't say for sure. They're built around an 18t setup though so the different positioning and size of a chainring wasn't really taken into consideration most likely.
You could run a similar setup to Flipp and try the Sport Lite Splined crankset with an 18t splined sprocket, then just run a 12t sprocket on the Hope? Possibly not quite as baller as the SRAM crankset, and possibly a little heavier, but you definitely won't encounter any clearance issues with it.
Hmm. I hadn’t thought of that.
There seems to be a fair amount of clearance space. I’ve only ordered half the build so far so I’ll confirm with Tarty before the rest arrives in stock.
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3 hours ago, Mark W said:
Incidentally, the new frames are out.
Same geo as before, just a new colour and 135mm hub spacing so you can slip a Pro 4 in there nice and easy.
Well that changes things a little!
I guess I’ll be deleting my shopping cart and starting again with new hubs and cranks. That was the only thing I wished it could do was take a hope hub.
Now the question is what to do about gearing. I was going to go front freewheel 18t + 12t rear for standard mod gearing.
Im thinking I’d probably use the inspired/sram cranks now.
So I guess 22/15 or maybe 22/14.
Ill be be happy to run rear freewheel. I certainly don’t miss having my trousers eaten by mod chains. Lol.
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Pretty sure that’s one of my old bikes. I sold it and got this x lite in 2002.
I got it to replace my 1997 square downtube x lite.
I recognise the grips.
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12 hours ago, Mark W said:
The 20.2 is due out pretty soon so there isn't much info about it yet. I'd imagine it's going to be similar to the 20.1 though - they pretty much nailed it with that so I doubt they'll try and re-invent the wheel.
I believe their frames are made in the same place as the Inspired Arcades, so you don't really need to worry about build quality or anything like that
I thought it looked like an arcade.
How does the 20” wheel compare to the 19” do you think?
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Where do you get these frames from? They’re a 135mm rear end?
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Ok thanks for the pointers.
I know it won’t be great for riding around town, but from age 8 to about 25 I rode everywhere on a mod trials bike without issue to get to riding spots. 5-10 miles was nothing on my monty lol
So as long as I can get to somewhere across town it’ll be fine. I’ve got other bikes to go for actual rides! I just know the new comp mods are barely ridable full stop.
I find the Skye so lumpy feeling and it’s basically impossible for me to do even simple things like suck up the back end when wheelie hopping up a wall or something. It just feels stuck to the ground.
I thought the Skye would be good as a kind of do all fun bike, good enough to ride for 10 minutes across town but still fun at the park or playing on rocks or whatever. But right now I’ll take a slightly less ridable 20” for the fun factor when actually doing trials.
Who makes the alias frame? What’s the new 20.2 like compared to the 20.1?
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Does anyone know how the alias 20.1 compares in feel to an older style 20” mod, like a monty 221 x lite or similar?
I used to ride mods for years. I didn’t ride trials for about 10 years and recently got a inspired Skye team but I really don’t like how it feels. I’m thinking the alias may feel better for me. I want something that is more ridable than the new style competition mod bikes so I can get to the skate park or whatever around town.
Who makes the alias frames?
How much difference will it make having a 20” rear wheel versus the fat tyre 19”?
This is what I used to ride and loved it.
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Sorry to resurrect an older thread.
I picked up a Skye team last summer and I’m really not liking it that much. It feels heavy and cumbersome compared to my old mod bikes. Spins etc are slow and choppy, it feels like what I always felt stock 26” bikes felt like big and lumbering.
Would something like an Alias 20.1 be closer to feel to my old monty? I’m thinking that might be a lot of fun, but still ridable to get around unlike a true competition mod.
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On 26/02/2018 at 2:49 AM, pedaladdiction said:
Any retro trials gurus able to help me out with some info on these? brought them a while ago but wanting to know more as i've never seen a set like them before. Not sure if they are special edition off a monty complete bike maybe seeing as the hoses are a clear blue colour stamped monty
pictures here
I had those exact brakes on a Monty from about 1996. They are basically the same as the regular magura brakes at that time, hs22, but they had a different sized piston custom for trials that made them more powerful but less modulation. The clear hoses were unique to Monty as well.
It was a square downtube model just before they switched to ones with the bent frame and no seat.
It was a Monty x lite 221 very similar to this one. It was a great bike and they were great brakes.
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3 minutes ago, Herbertlemon102 said:
just as good. locking is the same, difference is locking a disc and not a rim feels a little bit less direct because of spoke flex, but doesnt reeeaalllyyy matter.
most competition mods nowadays use rear disc.
works better in the wet, modulation (good for manuals and smooth control) hence why street bikes have them.
26" comps dont because spoke flex on 26 is a lot more noticable, maguras are more direct- and a little lighter, and also nothing to hit on a sidehop. more "accurate" id say.
tar on rims is pretty much a thing of the past now.
its all about what you use the bike for! trials pads in a disc brake can be as good if not better than rim brakes.
in fact, people have been using disc brakes on trials bikes for years- its nothing new. go for it
Thank you.
My concern was why are the mod riders still using front maguras, is it because the discs still aren’t up to the job.
Hopefully like you say the trials pads make the difference, as my hope tech 3 brakes on my mountain bikes would be a disapointment for trials for sure.
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I’m looking at buying an inspired Skye team 24” which obviously is disc only for brakes. I’d like the hope I think rather than the magura mt7
All my other 20” trials bikes have been magura rim brakes, and I loved their massive locking power.
In fact we used to tar our rims and made them incredibly sharp.
I’ve got discs on other mountain bikes and stuff and they’re good, but not that solid lock up the Maguras give on my trials bikes.
How good are the discs on the smaller 24” wheels? Will they reliably lock up solid? On my 29” they are certainly not as strong as a rim brake, but for mountain biking have obvious advantages.
I see that even today on the world trials circuits not many riders are running discs. Most still have magura rim brakes.
Thanks
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1 hour ago, trialsalot said:
If you've rode for that long you'll adapt quickly.
Yeh. I’m sure it’ll take me a while to get back into it. It’s been a long time since I last rode trials properly.
But I rode mod trials from age about 8.
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14 minutes ago, trialsalot said:
I just made the move from riding mod to a 24 and I love 24. I ride everything from street to natural. The beauty of a 24" is its like a swiss army knife with several handy functions rather than a mod which in many cases is a sharp as hell knife.
I don't think you'd be disappointed at all with a 24".
Basically the same thing Mark said.
Great. Thanks.
I was just nervous as I only rode mods for close to 20 years. I never liked 26 trials bikes.
My first mod Monty was in the early 90s when I was just a kid. I rode Monty mod bikes as my main day to day bike all through my teenage years and whenever I tried a friends 26 it just felt cumbersome and lumbering.
Not little and flicky like my mod.
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2 hours ago, Mark W said:
You don't necessarily need to go all the way for a Skye Team - a Fourplay would be pretty similar in terms of fit and ride but would save a reasonable amount of cash. For what you're looking to do a 24" bike sounds like it should do the trick though
Agh I’m a bike snob. And the Skye is only a couple hundred more than the fourplay team. I really like the hope hubs and stuff so I’d definitely want it with those. So then I might as well get the Skye with the nicer bolt through hubs and stuff, I really like the rear end design in particular
I don’t drink or smoke, just spend my money on bikes. Lol.
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14 minutes ago, Mark W said:
Modern mods are completely different. BB heights are usually around 80mm (so almost double the height of your Monty), have chainstay lengths about 20mm shorter, what will most likely be a steeper head angle and a different wheelbase. They won't feel like your Monty used to.
A 20" bike would be better for the 'proper' trials moves, but they're very focussed now so you won't really get much other streety stuff done on one. The Inspireds are a bit bigger, heavier and have more neutral geometry so you won't get the same outright height and scale, but if you're starting reasonably from scratch again (but with the benefit of your experience before) it shouldn't really be too bad if you're mixing in streetier stuff too. If you're thinking of playing around at a skatepark an Inspired is a much, much better idea than a modern mod!
Thank you. That was my understanding with modern mod bikes.
I’ve been racing Bmx the last few years and we had a team night at the indoor bike park last week, and all the time I was there riding a Bmx I just had an urge to hop and spin which is just couldn’t do with the front end heavy race Bmx with no front brake. It was the signal I need another trials bike.
I rode trials for close to 20 years so I’m confident a lot of the skills are still there. I’m just thinking the 24” will be more usable as I can ride with my kids on their bikes around town and maybe hit up the skate park and stuff as we play around.
When I lived in The U.K. I used to ride in porthcawl a lot back in the days when the Martyn(in)s were riding there. So I used to enjoy the pure trials but with a bit of street type riding thrown in.
So maybe a skye team is the way to go. I’m almost the same height at Danny so I’m guessing it’ll fit well
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2 hours ago, trialsalot said:
At a guess you'll be hunting for a sub 1000mm wheelbase, 370ish mm chainstays and maybe a +30 to +40mm bb rise. I had a trawl through the internet but could find anything specific. I rode the later 221ti and it was so much fun.
Thank you.
The 221ti I think was basically the same geometry.
So basically it seems the newer mod bikes have just got a bit longer.
I liked the way the 221 was so easy to just lift the front wheel and it felt easy to just balance on the rear all day long.
Im tempted to look at something like the Skye team as it’s a bit more useful for just riding around town and looks like it would be fun to play with at the skate park and stuff with my kids.
Do you know how the 24” inspired bikes feel for what I would describe as traditional trials in a street environment? I’d guess that’s the best description of how I’d ride. Not so much flips or flatland type skills, more hops and jumps/ pedal crank rear wheel hops to gap and get up/down stuff.
The issue is I’m likely buying a bike online as there’s nothing anywhere near me to get one in person. I now live in Canada.
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I used to own a 2002 Monty x lite.
Loved that bike, and I’m shopping for new bikes and there’s been a lot of changes to newer trials bikes.
So im wondering what the wheelbase was of my old bike as a baseline for me to compare against. Anyone know? Thank you
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its a cool bike m8 but dont pay to mutch as there are some obvious problems with will ocour pritty quickly .
first of all if u live in england your screwed because the brakes are on the wrong way round and also there are no spares for the front one.
the cranks look pritty weak and also the freewheels and pedals are cheap.
but on the outherhand its has a chris king and magura brakes so its all good id get it for the right price .
hmm, you obviously dont know much about older trials bikes.
those cranks are the megamo team ones. super strong.
yeh i know the brakes are wrong. its in canada and i can sort that easily by putting a hope trial on the front. the freewheel too is a good spec.
less than £200....
Alias 20.2
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Here’s my alias 20.2 I just built up with some hope shiny parts.