Problem, i just ditched my crappy echo urban and bought a zoo pitbull 07 the short version, but its too short Ideally i want a frame similar to my old levelboss 1065 ( which measured more like 1080) only not as industrially heavy! I'm looking at getting either the longer 07 pitbull or the 06 echo pure, my concern for each is the long zoo has a 25mm bb rise and im not a particular fan of bb rise, but the echo pure has barely any rise right? only i presume the echo is pretty snap worthy being only 4.2 lbs??? (and the echo is uuuuugly in comparison and i'm a right tart when it comes to looks) Any ideas or advice please???!!! Also im quite upset about not being able to post in trials chat as i've been a member since 2005!!! GRRRRRR! what the f** is that all about?