Mike Poyzer @ Onza
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Send the cranks back enclosing a correctly stamped addressed jiffy bag for return and we will replace FOC. This is not a warranty issue but our standard goodwill policy with Tensile products. The only proviso is that they must not have been modified by grinding machining etc.
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Photo shop is a great medium for modifying frame designs. The great thing about it is that nobody has to ride it. Try putting in a 16 tooth front sprocket and a 12 tooth back sprocket and running the chain round them on the same picture. Getting the chain to miss the stays is difficult enough on a conventional frame set up.
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Glad to see some reactions. The most absurd thing said so far is that these are changes for changes sake. The reasons for the dropped stay are as follows. The stay comes in to the rear dropouts at low level allowing us to fit chain tensioners into the drop out, the most logical and sensible place. Almost impossible to do with conventional stays, without major engineering work.
Secondly the stay strikes the arc of the rear wheel in a lower position, giving it a greater distance and better clearance for the cranks. Short chainstays and clearance for fat tyres has led to wide bb's and long bb axles. This also puts greater strain on bearings. One reason Tensile cranks have gained their reputation is because they are straight and rigid. but this has increasingly meant using longer bottom brackets out as far as 128mm. This new frame design allows us to use Tensiles on a 113mm axle with a 68mm shell.
Thirdly the chain is protected by the frame. A chain squashed against a frame does damage the chain but it damages the frame even more. Please bear in mind this is a first prototype and the finished article will be finessed considerably, building in more protection for the under carriage.
A final bonus is of course that you can remove the chain without splitting it for cleaning and maintenance.
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1. Yes we do do credit agreements at Super Cycles
2. You do need to be 18 to pass the finance company criteria to get credit ( often this is effectively 20 as very few 18 year olds have enough work or credit history to get accepted)
3. We do have a dealer on Guernsey, Ian Brown Cycles, can they not help.
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My apologies to a Mr Burrows if there is one out there. I did of course mean our old adversary Mr Berridge. I don't know what we did to upset him but he has consistently criticised us since almost before Onza in the DDG era.
When you have a vested interest in promoting a product and you use a medium like this one, it doesn't matter how you dress it up it is advertising. You highlight the thread on the Toxin, which I personally think is pure and simple advertising.
If you purchase and use a product and you think it is so wonderful that you have to tell everybody about it ,that is ok. If however you are involved in testing and marketing a product and you post information to promote it, then it is advertising.
It just appears that some advertising is accepted on here and some isn't.
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Just to clear up a few things.
1 Onza is the spanish word for ounce. It is also used to describe an almost mythical wild cat very rarely seen on the Mexico/ USA border areas. Its only connection to hedgehogs or porcupines is through our use and the original owners use of the hedgehog device which is one of our trade marks.
2 The T-Raptor frame has been redesigned and pictures of the salient features will be on onza.com next week.
3 No member of staff here is allowed to post on this forum without express permission from me first.
4 Our first 20" trials frames were designed and produced in 1999 so it was seven years ago not the three or four which keeps cropping up. At that time the only 20" trials bikes were Monty and the cheapest alloy framed version was over £1000. There was no Koxx, Zoo ,Echo, Brisa, Base or Ashton to compare with and our alloy frames were a complete leap in the dark for us. Of course we made mistakes and all these other companies have learnt from our mistakes but so have we. We are proud of having brought trials bikes to the masses and removed its elitist image. We are happy to be the bike of choice for the newbies because we now have bikes and products which can move up with them as they improve.
On the whole I am glad to see that most postings here have been positive in our favour. I would consider Mr Berridge's comments a victory in that the only criticism he could manage was raking up yesterdays news. Particularly relevant when you read his last blatant advertisement for Curtis on trials chat.
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I would just like to clear up a few misconceptions about our products which have been surfacing on this thread. The frame which Danny is now riding was designed by me in conjunction with one of my frame manufacturers about a month ago in Taiwan. Danny has been talking with us for some time about riding for us and when he saw the frame it convinced him. I am sure Danny has never claimed to have designed the frame and it is merely an assumption that has been made. We are happy to have him ride with his own signature frame but we retain all intellectual property rights on any item which we produce and always will. Of course we consult our riders and their requirements in trials products and we welcome any input from the trials community, but when it comes to producing and branding those items we maintain full control over our output. I am sure that people see similaries in any design of frame, which has probably led to some of the wilder claims on the thread.
The prototype frame currently being worked on for Ben to use is exactly the same situation. Preliminary ideas and sketches were made by me and they are now being converted into a working prototype. Obviously Ben is our rider and his requirements are considered, but first and foremost, it is our frame and will be sold as an Onza.
So please no more talk about who designed what first and when. Frame design as I have always said is an evolutionary process and ideas are borrowed, developed and often improved on in our quest for ultimate and optimum products.
Perhaps everyone who claims to have designed a frame would also care to take responsibility for the warranty on those frames as well.
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We had these shoes ages ago and were offered distribution. We are still considering it. When the Coustilliers were over here I gave them a pair to try and they liked them so I gave them the details of the company which makes them, so they approached them directly. It as simple as that.
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The problem is that our product range and our sphere of operations is so broad and diverse that an auto answer would inevitably be several pages long and would still frustrate many potential customers. Trials is an important but by no means exclusive area of operations for us.
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I am sorry to have a thread of criticism on here but at least am glad to see that there is general support. We do from time to time make cock ups on delivery of goods and I quite agree that if it was our fault thenI hold up my hands and apologise. If he had definitely and clearly asked for gold levers then he could have returned them at our expense and they would have been replaced FOC.
Two points I would like to make resulting from this thread.
1. It is not always our fault as sometimes orders are not totally clear and concise when placed either on the phone or through the website. Please always be very specific when ordering.
2. We have discussed the e-mail problem before. Even if we employed one person now full time the problem is so huge that we wouldn't be able to answer every one. We try to answer any e-mail which is very specific but if it is at all vague or too wide reaching then you have no chance. Use the phone if you have an urgent specific query.
I am looking into both these cases ( the gold levers and the e-mail from Holland) and hopefully something can be sorted. One thing I would say is has the guy with the black levers contacted us about the mistake as well as posting here. We cannot sort out problems we are unaware of.
Tired Of Boring Frame Designs?
in Trials Chat
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Rest assured that any production version will be properly designed to ensure that the thread does not strip in the chain tensioning system. As I keep saying this is a prototype which will now be thoroughly tested by Ben Slinger over the next few weeks. Any lessons learned will be taken on board with the production version.