i totaly adore iut when i 360 off an edge.... ride at it straigt go 180 on the front wheel so your back wheel is in mid air then push off the front and twist another 180 feels and looks the dogs balls .... its gota be that or when i do the spine down the skatepark on my 20" cause you have gota give it so much balls and fall off soooooo much .haha....