for the frame size i reckon i will go for the 26" stock as for the make, at the moment it's between Onza & Echo (are they any good?) so you think £700 is quite alot for a trials bike, so for that much, what sort of bike could i get for about that much, i really like the Onza Woodstock except that was way over my limit. thanks again, all your reply's have been great! -btw spundrik where in kent you live cos the only bike shop i got near me really is Bigfoot Bikes -looking at the Onza T-Rex Spec1 i notice that it hasn't got disk brakes, when re-roading some of the reply'ys i notice that good brakes are essential, and the bike has Magura where as in some ither threads they said that Magura wenr't very good.