Sorry, mate. I've been through a pair of Echo 6061's They came loose and the tapers f**ked up. Now I have decent quality cranks, they haven't come loose and haven't f**ked up like the Echo's. How about you thinking of shutting your mouth. Im not getting validated again, The Trials-Forum staff hate me, And fair play to them Dont give me all this "I'm a full member and this is me patrosining you" bullshit. I've already been validated and unvalidated twice. If you dont like NMC Get the f**k out of it. No hard feeling's though 'ey. EDIT: I've just read that myself. It looks like im having a go. But I'm only messing about maybe a few smilies will help.