while where on the subject.. what do ido if my threds are f'd on my frame.. where the bb goes in? it just tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens the loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens, tightens then loosens i no suppose its abit crazy or even stupid its cool though cus today i fixed my bike (repaired chain as it snaps every two days, no joke) and rode notts. i was on some pretty high stuf too. the chain could of gone at any time, but didnt, thanx to the man upstairs. supose its an extra danger to the hole trials thing but i love danger its what i thrive on. thats y i started in the first place, i suppose