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So here it is... after a few bumps in the road getting parts It's finally done, here is a part list and 2 pics I snapped.
Czar short frame
Echo Urban fork
King NoThreadset headset
Middleburn cranks with the Heatsink bashring with 18T cog
Truvativ Gigapipe DH BB
Wellgo MG-1 Pedals
Echo Hifi 130x15 stem
Trialtech bars
Racer's edge foam grips
HS-33 front and back
Coust pads
Trialtech rims laced to King ISO hubs
King Cog 15T
KMC Cool Chain
74 Kings tensioner
Maxxis Larsen TT front tire
Maxxis Minion 2.5 rear tire
Maxxis Welterweight tubes
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So I finally got my echo urban forks in the mail. I got the bottom bearing race on fine, slid the fork up through the frame but when put the top cap on and tap it down it will only go so far and won't snug up to the headset. Like if I pick up the frame so the weight comes off of the fork I can see it move, also just grabbing the steerer tube and moving it I can feel a little wobble. Now I've never owned a King headset but this just doesn't seem normal, any tips?
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I didn't see this asked, what gearing?
Looks AWESOME btw.
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Thanks for the help guys I was looking all over with no luck. As a last ditch effort I contacted my wheel builder and he said he would swap me 1:1 for the QR hub since he's building my wheels and he has the hubs in stock. Sweet!
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So I have a chance to get a new king front hub for CHEAP but it's a 20mm through axle, does anyond know of an adapter to mount that to some echo urban forks? Or is there a trials fork that supports a through axle?
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I see no reason that wouldn't be covered, that's an odd place for a frame to break. That seems pretty awesome that they would let you get a different frame assuming it's the same price I wish more companies did that.
Good luck getting that replaced.
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For a rim a little on the lighter side I would say the Try-All, the Trialtech is also light but doesn't come in gold. As far as hubs you would be hard pressed to find something better than the Chris King hub which has 72 engagement points. You will pay a premium for the CK though. If you wanna save a few bucks maybe the Hope Pro 2 Trials hub. The Hope has 48 points, weighs about 10 grams more than the King at about half the price. They both come in gold.
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Awesome man, good luck getting it set up. Pics when it's being built!
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Mods please close. Sorted
Steve
As a new member who does a ton of searching on the forum might I suggest not editing out your original topic so people who might have a similar problem can better search for the same thing.
*edit* I guess a you or a mod put it back.
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I would stay away from single ply tires, the sidewalls fold really really easy on them.
And yes a 2.5 will fit in a Czar, its does on my frame and i have the widest rims on the market.
There is a bit of room on each side too, and if you cut the outside knobs off then you will have tonnes of room man.
Sweet, thanks for the reply. I will go with the 2 ply tires also. Out of curiosity what rims are you running?
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Hey guys I just ordered my first trials frame and ended up choosing the Czar frame. I'm looking at the dual ply Maxxis Hi Roller in 2.5" does anyone have experience with putting a 2.5" tire on a Czar? If so were there any rubbing issues? I'm also debating going single ply because I'm only 115lbs and not gonna be doing crazy stuff anytime soon. Thoughts?
Thanks,
Jim
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I would also go for the "setup" plan and try to stage a sale and bag the twat. Badgering him on the internet wont do a thing.
Wonderful topic I can't wait to see how this plays out.
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Yeah man I'll be 24 in a few weeks and I'm just starting to build my first trials bike!
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You make me feel really small now
Edit: And no.
Yeah chrome is a coating, no biggie. Polished still looks pimp.
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What makes a 116 weaker? I doubt I could muck up a nice CK hub. I'm also not a heavy rider, I'm 5'10" and 115lbs so depending on how much weaker, I might not notice.
Well the frame selection doesn't matter too much because the Echo Control comes in 116mm.
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I've always put CKs on my MTBs and absolutely love them. I plan on doing the same on my trials bike.
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Control it is! Seems like the tried and true frame to get.
Are there down sides to running a 116mm stock frame? I hate the idea of having a chain tensioner on a single speed bike, just seems like unneeded extras. The Chris King 116mm rear hub looks sex.
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So would you guys recommend an Echo Control over an Adamant A1?
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WRONG
High BB= stable on the rear wheel.
Low BB= much more stable on two wheels, not too stable on one wheel.
high bb bikes flick out easily for gaps, and can roll down things easier due to the larger gap, its easier to roll up things on a low bb bike
If you are going to be riding like you say:...Then I wouldn't go for anything with a really high BB. High BB bikes tend to be very sidehop orientated really. For proper street like it sounds you're into, go for something a bit shorter (1060 max) with a lower BB (maybe +10 or whatever). Or 24"?
As for shops, there are a few trials shops in America. This is the only one I can think of off the top of my head though: http://www.webcyclery.com/home.php I know Tartybikes will ship to the US but I'd imagine with a weak dollar it might not be worth buying from this country.
Well then, with this info it looks like low bb is the way to go
Thanks for that link to webcyclery. I was checking out Tarty but with George W ruining our dollar it's pretty much raped the options of buying overseas. The Echo Control(I haven't decided on that specific frame yet, just an example) comes out to be aprox $560 with the exchange rate. 
The same frame at WebCyclery and I also found midwestbiketrials.com they both have the frame for $400... much better. -
Look at Neil Tunnicliffe, he rides low bb.
Look at Damon Watson, he rides high bb.
And there is no "That one is better than another"!
You shold try both bb's yourself and then you'll understand which suits you the most.
Thanks after looking into it a bit I think I will go with the GU TP '08, now to look for the frame fork combo in the states.
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Alright well let me start out with this... I've never done anything trials related. Currently I ride MTB and have been riding for a few years. I just stumbled onto trials when watching some MTB vids. I've been lurking the forums for a few days and decided to register. I've never heard of trials until a few days ago so I don't know of anyone in the area nor does my LBS carry any trials parts.
So that said I'm going into trials blind with a minor MTB background. I've decided to go for a stock trials bike but am not sure about the BB height things I was reading. The only real info I found was that the higher bb makes the bike easier to flick around. I'm looking to ride street with lots of smooth transitions and down the line get into gaps, rails, etc.
I'm not really in a rush to build since I can do a lot of practice exercises on my MTB to work on balance and such. I don't really have much of a budget because I was expecting to pay what I do for my MTBs but it looks to be much cheaper to build a high end trials bike then an MTB. This is clearly more popular in the UK than the states so any state side web links to buy frames would be much appreciated.
-Jim
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Opposite in the UK, rear on the left
Haha ok I'm from the US and I had to look back at the pictures I'm like what are they talking about the brakes are how mine are. My whole life I've rode bikes with right hand rear brakes, if I had to switch I'm almost sure I would go over the bars a few times.
Finished Building My First Trials Bike. Czar Stock
in Bike Pictures
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Here is the Geo from Tarty, they measured using the same fork so this should be spot on.
Wheelbase: 1075mm
Chainstay Length: 385mm
BB Rise: 35mm
Head Angle: 71.5 degrees
Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 655mm (25.75")
Thanks for the compliments guys! It was a good bit of working getting all of the exact parts I wanted in the states.