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Here is the Geo from Tarty, they measured using the same fork so this should be spot on. Wheelbase: 1075mm Chainstay Length: 385mm BB Rise: 35mm Head Angle: 71.5 degrees Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 655mm (25.75") Thanks for the compliments guys! It was a good bit of working getting all of the exact parts I wanted in the states.

So here it is... after a few bumps in the road getting parts It's finally done, here is a part list and 2 pics I snapped. Czar short frame Echo Urban fork King NoThreadset headset Middleburn cranks with the Heatsink bashring with 18T cog Truvativ Gigapipe DH BB Wellgo MG-1 Pedals Echo Hifi 130x15 stem Trialtech bars Racer's edge foam grips HS-33 front and back Coust pads Trialtech rims laced to King ISO hubs King Cog 15T KMC Cool Chain 74 Kings tensioner Maxxis Larsen TT front tire Maxxis Minion 2.5 rear tire Maxxis Welterweight tubes

So I finally got my echo urban forks in the mail. I got the bottom bearing race on fine, slid the fork up through the frame but when put the top cap on and tap it down it will only go so far and won't snug up to the headset. Like if I pick up the frame so the weight comes off of the fork I can see it move, also just grabbing the steerer tube and moving it I can feel a little wobble. Now I've never owned a King headset but this just doesn't seem normal, any tips?

I didn't see this asked, what gearing? Looks AWESOME btw.

Thanks for the help guys I was looking all over with no luck. As a last ditch effort I contacted my wheel builder and he said he would swap me 1:1 for the QR hub since he's building my wheels and he has the hubs in stock. Sweet!

So I have a chance to get a new king front hub for CHEAP but it's a 20mm through axle, does anyond know of an adapter to mount that to some echo urban forks? Or is there a trials fork that supports a through axle?

I see no reason that wouldn't be covered, that's an odd place for a frame to break. That seems pretty awesome that they would let you get a different frame assuming it's the same price I wish more companies did that. Good luck getting that replaced.

For a rim a little on the lighter side I would say the Try-All, the Trialtech is also light but doesn't come in gold. As far as hubs you would be hard pressed to find something better than the Chris King hub which has 72 engagement points. You will pay a premium for the CK though. If you wanna save a few bucks maybe the Hope Pro 2 Trials hub. The Hope has 48 points, weighs about 10 grams more than the King at about half the price. They both come in gold.

Awesome man, good luck getting it set up. Pics when it's being built!

As a new member who does a ton of searching on the forum might I suggest not editing out your original topic so people who might have a similar problem can better search for the same thing. *edit* I guess a you or a mod put it back.

Sweet, thanks for the reply. I will go with the 2 ply tires also. Out of curiosity what rims are you running?

Hey guys I just ordered my first trials frame and ended up choosing the Czar frame. I'm looking at the dual ply Maxxis Hi Roller in 2.5" does anyone have experience with putting a 2.5" tire on a Czar? If so were there any rubbing issues? I'm also debating going single ply because I'm only 115lbs and not gonna be doing crazy stuff anytime soon. Thoughts? Thanks, Jim

I would also go for the "setup" plan and try to stage a sale and bag the twat. Badgering him on the internet wont do a thing. Wonderful topic I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Yeah man I'll be 24 in a few weeks and I'm just starting to build my first trials bike!

Yeah chrome is a coating, no biggie. Polished still looks pimp.