Lol, i may put some thought into it, depend on what i can afford and all that malarky, but im sure a good set of v's wont cost as much as an avid juicy 7 or similar, so maybe with agood set of vees i can have more money to get more stuff like a new back wheel thanks for the tips man, much appreciated i have never been best at setting up brakes, i ride bmx brakeleess and always have.. i only got a trials bike tuesday but im learning fast can already side hop a bench