Ok ive ridden and owned a fair few bloddy montys..... the pr is a fantastic frame for its cost .......ok ok it will most deffo crack snap before a deng frame but thats due to a deng frame having thicker tubes. monty pr and the ti 04 upwards to 07 are also fantastic frames light weight nice geo( they are not for bashers ) they are for the comp riders who are smooth as a babys arse. ive had a coupple of ti's all lasted me a year +..... as for the kamel.....geo wise it seems ok if not better than older montys.....stand over is also improved...i cannot say its an amazing bike as ive not ridden one yet but my old teacher/trainer does infact ride one and has told me he has had zero problems with it... he also said its lighter than the older monty frames......he loves it and if a 5 time spanish champion loves it that much it must be half decent. dave x