Tim, stop making an arse of yourself, its not gonna halp your business at all. You are trying to say that Adam (owner of probably the most respected distributor of trials gear anywhere) has no idea what he is talking about, this is a man that told me the geo of my 4 year old stem straight from memory. It makes no sense to me why you would seemingly alienate this forum just because you dont want your obviously over-inflated ego to take a hit. I have 2 sets of crms, one of the good batch which are still going after 2 years and will do for longer, and one that lasted me not even a warm up, there is no chance that these are the same compound. I am even willing to send my original decent crms to be tested against the awful excuse that you claim is the same. Surely this would prove that this entire forum is right and you are making a fool of yourself. You would never catch phat mike talking to customers like that, actually, you wouldnt find him making duff pads in the first place! Andy B