thanks for the that guys or girls. ok well cash is definitely being put away. i was looking at the drilled rims. they seem to have been very poorly drilled. one of the layers of the rim ( layers, skins, walls i don't no the correct name) has a shaving like pieces of metal, it looks like it needs to be filled down. i don't plan on doing it unless it is really necessary, i don't know enough about bikes in general to do it confidently. gus