Well i got it off then tried it and it still slipped abit so i put some tar on and it slipped a slight bit so i think once i get the tar spread it will stop. Thanks alot for everyones help maybe now ill get up 9 bricks to rear without slipping off. Just in everyones opinion my dad is buying me some new hs33 pads and i got £20 to spend on them inc delivery, what do you all think is best? I'm going to grind my rim soon aswell, i was going for Koxx Browns. Anything better for that price?