hi guys thanks for the replies, ive seen them mad ones and they look and feel cheap imo, i want a decent one like zoo,czar,echo,onza,koxx as im old and in my midlife crisis stage and find i break cheap things in the hobbies ive tried lol. im totally new to trials, im still learning to get it up on the back wheel and get my balance etc etc, ive had years of downhill and motox so not used to slow and technicall attitude, more flat out and hope for the best hahaha. ive tried a few diff bar and stem combos now but the bike just doesnt feel right, im going to look out for a 24/26" i think, although the 20 is easy to move about i dont feel comfy so never gonna progress i think, ive got around £400 quid in cash here for a bike now so as soon as one comes up near me im on it in a flash lol. seen a fair few nice ones but there all miles away up north. seen a few decent make and spec 26" aroud for this amount so i guess just a case of waiting for one, then i need to hook up with some riders in my area as i need to learn the basics first. some of you guys have a lot of skill on here