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tell me about it! i can't wait to get validated, i have posted several replies/topics with perfect grammar and still no luck
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as the title says really, i try and get out a couple of times a week, im pretty average on a bike...got a good spot for riding......im a bit of an oldie ....26 next month but hey, it'd be nice to have some riding buddies!
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Ride whatever you feel comfortable on, it doesn't matter what it looks like. If you like that M.A.D then ride it.
i got the wheelbase wrong on the mad, its 1055 or something similar and to be honest i reckon it looks pretty sweet now, ive been tweaking it over the weekend and im pretty pleased with it! i have been looking at the geo of the zoo pitbull and the wheelbase on that in the short version is very similar to what ive got, i may get one in the summer....but for now i reckon hammer the M.A.D for a couple of months and just enjoy it for what it is, i mean its solid, and it seems pretty strong so hey!? im just going to ride it!!
thanks for the comment
Seems like your trying to be someone your not by trying long frames that suit a techincal rider because youve seen riders on videos doing big moves on long bikes.You obviously like bunnyhops and streety moves so stick to that, a long bike doesnt make you go big, a bike that you feel comfortable on does. Look at akrigg for example hes a beast on a short bike and also danny mac who rides 24inch.
If you really loved your pashley get another as ino people loved them and where riders who where beasts. If you can aford a lesson or a curtis have alook at them or may be a onza woodstock. But one of the most underated and is a cheap frame is a base and are going cheap on tarty.
You want to be looking at a frame 1060 or shorter really i would say, also the reach can affect how long it feels, so you dont want a long reach or that will make it hard to pull the front up.
Also your bar and stem can make a big difference. For a streety set up nice pair of risers is a must such as eastons. And a stem with alot of rise and fairly short is what street riders seems to love at the moment.
hope i helped
i totally agree with you mate, i wish i had started this topic before jumping in the deep end and buying a long frame, to be honest i am kind of back in the learning stages of trials as i havent ridden for 7 years so what i have got is perfectly suited to my ability......thanks for all the comments guys, i know what im after now!
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I think you can only run a chris king hub in these frames (according to the ebay description) it might be worth bearing that in mind as a back wheel will cost you a small fortune!
correct me if i'm wrong
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Well as the topic suggests i am a lone trials rider in accrington, before i quit i used to love riding on my own but since i started again im finding it hard to do things that i used to be able to do for fun!, I think the reason for this is that ive actually developed fear of falling off and hurting myself without anyone being there to pick me up if i have a bad spill.
Also its hard to push myself without anyone there for inspiration and this might sound weird but i cant properly see lines like i used to, ill try and explain a bit better, I used to ride down the street and think it would be good to go from that bench to that rail and to a bin or something (thats just an example) but now ive kinda lost my imagination or vision of trials if you know what i mean.
So basically i was wondering if anyone lives near or around where i live (accrington) and maybe is in the same situation as me and would fancy going for a ride some time, keeping in mind that ive not rode properly for about two years and am a bit sketchy if thats the right word LOL!
Sorry to blab on abit but would anybody come if i organised a big ride around here or something?
Thanks vinny.
hello there, i am in exactly the same boat, except i live way down south! i go out on my bike and sometimes find i cant commit to anything? it is so annoying when 7 years ago i would drop off phone boxes, bottlebanks, bus shelters etc with absolutly no fear! i am 26 next month.....aybe i'm getting old!?
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easy to bunnyhop? i need to be able to chuck it about, and it needs to be good on the back wheel, i know the seat tube is 9 inches centre to centre, but how long is it all the way to the top?
cheers guys!
still got my pure!
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as the title says, and i am just wonderig if anybody has one of these and how they perform?
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hey, i built the control up, and it didn't feel much different to the pure, apart from the bottom bracket seemed a little bit lower, so we swapped back! but he let me keep the hope headset! bargain! awayway, after messing around with my other frame, (a giant team trials) and getting jabbed in the back of the leg by the seat i decided that frame was no good either? so what now? ive got a saracen team trials M.A.D frame so i built that up and it rides so nice, (it is the silver one which normally sells at £1295 as a whole bike) the only problem is it looks like a kids bike! its ok, but the wheelbase is 965mm or something like that....really really short considering the echo was 1090! so im really not sure now, maybe a base frame? has anyone had one of these???
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this week i should be getting an adamant a3 .i want to know what people think about how they ride and how other deng frames like the echo lite or gu typhoon ride aswell
thanks leon x
hey, this may sound stupid but i thought i had may aswell ask, when you say 'deng frames' is that a certain style? i used to ride trials 7 years ago and i am just getting back into it, i was under the impression that 'deng' was a brand......i am wrong i take it?
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i have just swapped my mint pure for a control with one of my mates, its either an 06 or 07, little bit tattier than i would have liked but hey, at least i dont have to worry about selling mine now and losing loads of money, and he chucked in a hope headset which was £60 so i can't complain really, thanks for the advice guys, im going to build her up tomorrow....fingers crossed!!
i have just swapped my mint pure for a control with one of my mates, its either an 06 or 07, and its a short! little bit tattier than i would have liked but hey, at least i dont have to worry about selling mine now and losing loads of money, and he chucked in a hope headset which was £60 so i can't complain really, thanks for the advice guys, im going to build her up tomorrow....fingers crossed!! -
cheers mate, how did you get to that? when i searched tarty for that frame i came up with this http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/category.php?id=14
and it isnt on there!?
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hello everyone, i don't suppose that anyone knows this information? for any of the justice frames - any year i mean, as i know the silver ones are sllightly different to the black ones...
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its because of the bb rise,the lower the rise the easyer it bunnyhop.modern trials frames aren't really designed to be bunnyhopped but they are made to be easyier to do specific trials moves such as rear wheel hops,taps etc hope that made sence.
steve
ahh, i get what your saying, it does feel like im jacked up real high, i suppose my riding style is more like martyn ashton (no way near as good) but he seems to be able to fly into things at speed, especially in the old days (1998 - 2000) i suppose im probably better off on a lower bb frame then?? ......maybe an ashton justice!! does anyone know the geomatry for these?
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get the echo 7075 cnc cranks mate, hard as nails! you can get them here http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?id=183 .....i had a set and im the best part of 14 stone (on a good day) .......and they have never given me any jip!
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i know the wheel base is quite long on the short, but because of the head angle, 70.5 the reach is less than the pitbull making it quite a streety frame?
the short pitbull has a reach of 660 and my pure is 640, so the pitbull will feel longer still. but hey only trying to help.
oh mine is 3 months old, and good nic
any dents? major scratches??
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Short pitbull should bunny hop better
cheers i will see if i can get a good price for my echo and take it from there.....
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I'm around 5'11"
To be honest, height hasn't got a lot to do with it, Neil Tunnicliffe was riding a short 05 zoo pitbull, and he's over 6ft tall.
Also, the wheelbase is quite often irrelevant to how long a bike will feel. Because of the slack head angle on the pure, it will feel a lot short than other long frames available. A short Echo Control will feel about the same length as your long pure, Even though the wheel base on the Echo control is 1060mm.
.....so willthe short control be better for bunny hopping? ....or do you reckon a pitbull would be better? cheers for your help
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hi i have a pure 07 i am running a symtra re-system stem its 115mm 15deg rise, i am wanting a longet stem with a bit more rise anyone want to swap stems??
im ok for the minute bud, just bought the try-all one so need to give it a chance......cheers anyway )
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just been looking on tarty and a couple of frames fit that description quite well, adament a1 short or a zoo! pitbull short.........maybe i should get one of them!?
i would say if its bunny hopps you are wanthing to do a shorter frame will be better than your long one,if you fancy a swap your long for my short pure 08 pm me dude
ive just got the geo off tarty and the short pure is still a bit long with a high bb .... Wheelbase: Short 1080mm, Long 1095mm
Chainstay Length: 385mm
BB Rise: 35mm
Head Angle: 70.5 degrees
Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: Short 640mm (25.25"), Long 655mm (25.75")
i will definatly keep it in mind though dude, how old is it? mine was bought at the begining of december, been ridden a handful of times so is very good condition (now in bits as ive built the old giant up!) .....thanks for the offer, quite fancy a short pitbull though........
The supposedly do all the newer trials moves (taps, gap, sidehop etc) better than short bikes... I'm not convinced though, as I'm riding a short zoo stock and find everything easier on it.how tall are you mate?
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If you want to bunnyhop easier then get some higher bars and stem
If you wanted a nice streety frame then theres always frames such as the short Echo Control, or any frame around 1065 with no more than +20mm bottom bracket height.
Long frames can be bunnyhopped etc, but it will just take some getting used to compared to short frames. Look at Neil Tunnicliffe, he bunny hops into most of his hooks.. and he's hooking over 6ft now?
cool man, thanks for the help, im a little bit out of touch with all the latest kit, what is the benefit of a long frame then? is it that they are more stable???
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ok, so i used to ride trials almost every day from the age of about 15 - 19, im now almost 26! back in the day i used to have a high spec pashley 26mhz and it was the nuts, i felt invisible on it and really confident.....about a year ago i started riding again and my natural instincts told me to get another pashley.....i set it up very similar to how i had it before with regards to bar and stem sizes, it looked pretty much the same, now, i know that i was a bit rusty when i got back on a bike, and didnt expect to be hopping up big walls and doing gaps and 9 foot drops like before but i was really crap, and i mean, it was like i had never ridden a trials bike! how frustrating? so anyway, i took it on the chin and made the most of it, eventually ive managed to get some of my confidence back but i am never as good as i used to be?.........(the pashley is a short wheelbase frame)..
after watching various trials dvd's and vids on youtube and watching these guys ripping up the most technical stuff on what looks like long frames with no seats i decided to sell the pashley and get with the times and buy an echo pure (long) .....i just can't get my head round it, it wont bunny hop, (ive tried varoius stems) its great on the back wheel and side hops but thats about it! so am i suited to a shorter frame???? (maybe a more modern frame like a pure short?)
ive recently bought a 2nd hand 2nd trials bike to run singe speed with v brakes its a giant team trials 04, (the wheelbase is something like 1060) ive stripped my echo down and put all the good parts on it and it bunny hops very easily, not too bad on the back wheel, and generally feels better that the echo?! surely this cant be the case?? the echo is a top notch frame! ....but maybe its too long for me!? im about 5ft 10.....like to do streety moves and big drops/gaps, i also like to sidehop up stuff and be able to get up large obstacles with ease....so what is the frame for me????????
please help, this is getting expensive!
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as for wheels if you have money to spend i would go for echo rims on hope hubs, that would probably set you back around £200-£250ish, depending where you get them from, or if your on a budget go for dmr revolver hubs, they are dirt cheap and have sealed bearings, mavic 721 rims arent bad either, you could probably get revolvers on 721s from www.chainreactioncycles.com for £100 or so......hope that helps
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that black beauty is bad ass!!
how high is that seat collar!? you couldnt even put the seat down low even if you wanted too! lol )
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I have the same bike as you i think, and i run a tms stem and it feels pretty good apart from bunny hopping i think thats just because of the length of the frame though.
heres a pic
my stem is pretty much the same size as that mate, very similar set up too, except im running cannondale fattys on the front and black rims.....are the long frames known to be not good for bunny hopping then? ive just picked up a 2nd hand giant team trials as a little project street bike and ive just been messing around on it outside my house, the first time i went to manual i fell off the back! its amazing how different it feels! its extremely light......
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