The quicksilver is a group 5 insurance (basically not alot) the Saxo VTR are group 7 and 2,000 to insure Now getting back to the comments. The fraud thing about the pulsar all works out but the one thing photoshop can't change is the quotes reference number sorry dud your being had! The reason i need/want a half decent car is because where i live my friends have 200BHP Galanza's, 280bhp 200sx, 1,000 BHP skyline, so basically i am gonna be like a snail and i have come to terms with that as the guy in the SX is paying 4,000 insurance at 17 but he is having fun i just wanna use it to get about. I still have 2 months or so to go so i am not too worried, does anyone have views on Pass Plus any good? what does it entail? Prices? thanks Tom