Ritey then, the weekend is over and i got to have a an hour or so on each bike as my friend wigy has an echo lite and parr has just got an echo team. i'd try and explain what i thort of them but they was both mint setups and felt nearly the same. I could ride both equaly well, but i also had the opertunity to have a play on a short xtp with double disc's. that was the first time id rode with a disc on the back rather than a maggy. oh my god it was soo good, it like floated up eneything i tryed and ive been riding 26" for many months lol. Soo im now thinking of getting an xtp 20" in short. does eneyone else agree with me that the xtp is far superior than the echo's ???