BrettM

I hoped so, but they won't work. Even though you could flip them around to help push your brake in farther in theory the brakes are tall enough they will hit where the bolt goes through the mounts and into the frame. There is just no way around that no matter what your mount looked like. I could file the mounts down some and come up with an extra few mm's. Maybe use the tpa to push the pads in as well. I'll probably just switch back to the wider rim though. I only really wanted to use the narrower rim when I had the narrower tire.

'09 Echo Control frame long - 1634g Echo SL fork - 708g Chris King headset - 106g Echo SL stem - 206g Try All Rage bar - 290g Monty foam grips - 15g Echo BB - 268g Tensile cranks - 524g White Industries freewheel - 200g Wellgo Mag. pedals - 366g Sram PC 890 chain - 208g Tarty chainstay protector - 12g Magura Marta 180 mm disk brake - 406g Magura rim brake w/ Echo SL booster - 356g Echo SL front rim on the rear - 608g Echo SL rear hub - 180g Echo cog - 44g DT Revolution spokes - 130g Dt Alu. nipples - 10g Generic tube - 188g Continental Rubber Queen 2.4 rear - 825g Echo SL front rim - 604g Echo SL front hub - 138g DT Revolution spokes - 130g DT Alu. nipples - 10g Generic tube 188g Continental Mountain King 2.2 front - 506g 8.86 kg or 19.53 pounds I still have to trade for the lower, shorter stem. Chris had some longer, higher stems sent to him by mistake and I got one. I'm probably gonna paint the fork white. I've always had white forks. I'm gonna switch to a Hope Trials brake one day and put the Magura disks on another bike. Other than that I gotta figure out some brake clearance issues. I was planning on using the Echo front rim on the back when I still used a small 2.2 rear tire. Now that I'm using this giant tire I don't know how long that will last. The good part is I have decent crank arm clearance, but as the pad wears its gonna be tough to get the brakes pushed in far enough. On the flip side with the wide rim and new pads the cranks rub the brakes under pressure. So I'm looking at my options with that for now.

Apparently my reading skills are lacking. I went back to the first post to try to figure it out and found out pretty quick. Oops.

This is the bike I'm on now. It's going to be a bit different in a week. Switched to Continental tires and a front Magura setup to match the rear.

Some very nice bikes on here. Even my Control made it on here. I figured I'd post a few I've had over the years. They've all been lookers for a few days anyways. This is the first bike I built from scratch to look pretty. Custom Peyto. This bike is about six years old and I rode it yesterday. Still fun. It's black now though. This was my version of a disk tab between the stays. Stolen from the Brisa B26D that I rode before this which was stolen from the DBR and so on. The tape was to stop my foot from kicking the adjuster knob. It was real fun finding out that you had no brakes because your foot rubbed them while riding. This was my next Peyto. A little longer and trialsier in general. The back of the bike. This was the frame I was most proud of. It had my usual disk tab, the shifter on the seat tube and the bottle opener. The part I liked the most though were the dropouts. Whenever I used a rear derailleur with fun bolts you would have to take the rear derailleur off first to take the wheel off. I had these dropouts fix that and had them laser cut and made just for me.

But again keep in mind the year as far as editing goes. It was edited by a 15 year old kid who had 5 internet videos to his credit. Adobe back then wasn't exactly what it is now. As far as the music goes it was all free music that we actually cleared rights to on the internet. Again its a little easier in 2009 to find music on the internet by an independent artist that will let you use it for free than it was in 1999. I'm not saying you can't not like the video. We all look back on it and laugh at it. But at the same time it was a pretty big undertaking for a 15 year old kid back in 1999.

Haha no there are lots but there's no need to encourage them. A lot of the footage in this is now 10 years old. Back then there wasn't the huge amount of internet or videos out there to buy like there are today. To put it in perspective we wondered if we should put this out on vhs or dvd at the time and went with vhs because none of us and probably not enough people had dvd players yet. At the time Dave and Dyl just entered expert with Jeff Anderson who is one of the top North American riders now. John was convinced to enter his first pro comp and thats what his comp footage is from. And then James, Joe and Myself were still in Sport. The video didn't do well because the riding was anything great, it was just something that was out there. I used to get inspired by the Nick Goddard and Matt Berridge videos as well as a few others. I still turn to the UK for most of my inspiration but I may have to rethink liking Ali C now. Haha. Kidding.

Any chance you've taken any "real" measurements of wheelbase and bb height yet? I may get one of these. Cheers

Steve was there and I filmed a bit of him but left it out of the video. I also left out stuff of the other guys as the video was getting long enough. More Steve next time. This may be a dumb question but why do you want it on vimeo?

Right click and save as please. http://www.biketrials.ca/downloads/Ambleside.mpg If that link doesn't work try this: http://www.biketrials.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6658#6658 Filmed in Vancouver BC Canada. Cheers

Both Morley and I are on custom Peytos. Theres actually 3 of them in the vid. Morley's is somewhere around 74 degree head tube, 1040 mm wb, zero drop bb and 15.5 or so...maybe a bit less chainstays. The one I ride 99% of the video is pretty much the same but 75 degree head tube and shorter wb. There is one 270 off the log shot of my trials one that has 73 degree head tube, 1073mm wb, a little above zero drop bb and just under sub 15 inch chainstays. http://www.biketrials.ca/gallery/albums/us...l_nobrakes1.jpg http://www.biketrials.ca/gallery/albums/us...al_RedPeyto.jpg Those are mine. The black one doesn't have the brakes on because my reward for finishing the video was taking my brakes off for awhile. I couldn't find pictures of Morley's. I can't post the images cause my site is goofy like that.

I was meaning to post this video up earlier but I've been busy. I'm also not much of a fan of bmx on a mtb and I make an effort to keep it a little different. I ride a bmx and I ride my bmx different than my park mtb. The problem with this video is I now have a mtb for the park and one just for trials. I only got one shot of the trials bike in this video. I had planned to have a lot more trials and some other stuff I won't get into in the video and far less of the park stuff. This was a video that I've known that I'd use this song since I decided to make it and wanted to have a ton of left over clips so I'm only choosing the best. Didn't really happen for myself. I got hurt and the weather got horrible. Morley's stuff is all pretty solid though. Its also over a year and a half old now. Sorry for the wind noise too. Didn't sound anything like that until after it left Adobe and I was too lazy to go back and fix it. Thanks for the replies and cheers for posting it up Dave.

It would be barely recognizable as being from "us." Half the guys are now out of trials. If anyone remembers who was all in the mtt group I am the only one of the 5 left. It's tough to commit to a video. It is a whole lot of work and it is very easy to have it ripped off and put on the net. Besides you are up against the best riding in the world that is easily downloadable. Back in 2000 the market was a little easier for a pay to own video. Now its really tough, especially when the majority of the guys in it are just no name expert riders. I make internet videos. I'm working on a kinda full length internet one, but thats been going on forever so who knows what will happen with that.

Thanks for the kind words. The footage in that is all over 5 years old now. We were all very heavily influenced by the Uk trials scene at the time and I still am. It was originally sold as a real deal vhs vid which did alright I guess. 2500 copies I think it was? It was all we had made. At the time only Mike Bentham and Morley Wilkins were pro riders. The rest of us were varying degrees of Expert and Sport riders. I thought it would be cool to put on the net because we sold all our copies and Matt at Otn gave the go ahead for the bandwidth. Not a whole lot made it outside of North America so it was cool to show the rest of the world. Yes its old footage and yes it has very little to do with how a bike is ridden today, but thats part of why I like it I think. Shows your roots. Cheers

My nose actually barely hit the wall. It was mostly between teeth and nose that hit. I put a hole through my lip and got some stitches. Surprisingly enough there wasn't too much pain. It was all pretty quick. Dumb crashes you aren't prepared for always hurt me more. The jist of it was I was a bunnyhopper back then and it was a downhill run up. Normally my hand could have saved myself but I sprained my wrist the week before so it didn't do too much to stop me. Right across the road is the hospital. I've actually never been back as it was filmed on a road trip. Its not that I care too much that this got chopped up and put on eeno...but I've had a seperate crash taken right off the internet, compressed worse than this, and it actually got shown on British tv on a bloopers type show. The kid made a few bux off my riding and someones hard work filming and editing. So you...please respect other people's work and don't chop their stuff up and make what you want out of it and then put it on the net. Luckily its old enough that I could care less I guess.

It is a fox dvd called Drama. All the fox guys are in it.

There is no slip at all. There is pad and spoke movement. No brake slip at all. The brake is stronger than any rim brake out there and a rim brake will slip before a disk will. Yes it has play, but it does not slip. This is where the personal preference comes in. Most people hate that play. I've gotten used to it and it feels weird to me when I jump on a bike with rim brakes and its not there. Feels just as goofy to me as my bike would feel to you. Its a far more powerful setup that feels different. I'll beat a maggie, grind, koxx pads, tar and plaz coating on the rim for all I care. It works better.

I used to use Magura disks. Probably the best setup I ever had. Unfortunately I don't have the patience or time to deal with hydro setups anymore. I realize people don't like a rear disk because of the feel. Thats cool. But you can get used to it. I don't like rim brakes now because they don't have that disk feel to them. You get used to what you ride.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking aboots. A 160 mm disk has more stopping power than a rim brake. A 203 mm disk has around 23% more stopping power than a 160 mm rotor. My disk setup stops way way way better than any rim brake setup. This isn't just me saying it is so this is all fact. There are some issues with the way they feel but that is entirely preference. Performance wise a disk is better than a rim brake.

No heavier than any other bike. The frame is lighter than a Koxx Levelboss. The front wheel is on the heavy side I guess, but its not out of the norm heavy by any means. Other than that everything is very light stuff.

The reason for the rear derailleur and shifter is I ride Sram. Until you've ridden it you have no idea how much better it is than anything else on the market for trials. It has no play whatsoever. It is a 100 mm shell. Balance feels nice. I don't notice a huge diff. It messes up chainline a bit and limits you to the last 3 or so cogs. I always do 2 colors on my bikes. Its kinda sad but the entire bike is based around the rim tape. Thats the reason for the colors and fancy touches. The reason for the white rims and forks is a BMX rider by the name of Kevin Porter. His bike was so plain except for white forks and now its so plain except for white rims and it looks amazing to me. The forks are only temporary. I won't run aluminum forks so I run PX. They work. I don't give a f**k what they look like. I get custom forks in a few weeks. What don't some of you guys like aboots the rear disk? Its my idea so I'd like to know. I have a 3 year history of rear disk and have broken any traditional mount I have tried. The only one I didn't break was Brisa's so I knocked it off and then made it stronger, lighter, more versatile and made it use less clearance for bigger rotors, but smaller gaps between the chain and seat stays. It's tried and true.

The disk mount is my design. It's basically ripping off Brisa and DBR's idea and making it better and stronger with post mount. The forks are temporary. I get custom forks too in a couple weeks. One piece steer tube with an 8 inch post mount disk mount. The rotors are Hope Gothics. Work great, look cool, and you save a ton of weight over the stock Avids. Can't beat that. The cables aren't Nokon's, they are Aztecs, same sorta deal. I'm still undecided with what I think of them. Another touch that I forgot to mention that is impossible to see in the picture is the top tube is pierced by the seat tube. Meaning that there is a hole drilled in the top tube and the seat tube gets mounted through that and then brazed into place. Much stronger and stiffer that way. Thanks for the comments. I always like to try new things on the bikes, but not at the expense of doing it just to be new. Everything has to be completely functional and an improvement on the original. The shifter is only there as I like having a shifter, but not on the bars. The bars looks cleaner without it.

Basic Geometry is 1065 mm wheelbase, sub 15 inch chainstays, plus 20 mm bb height and 73 degree head tube angle. Things to check out are the stainless steel head tube rings to prevent ovalized head tubes, shifter mount, 8 inch post mount rear disk tab and laser cut dropouts that let you take your Chris King wheel that uses funbolts off without removing the derailleur first. Let me know what you think. Brett http://www.biketrials.ca

That fat mike video is filmed in Seattle Washington of the US. Probably not who you guys are thinking of.