JT!

I'll buy one when they drop to £20.

Same reason your name is Bruce Lee, but you have a picture of Vee as your avatar.

How's that being arranged for other countrys?

Well the feedback system has kinda gone underground a bit. But that was working pretty well when it was up and going.

http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....799&hl=leon

Stunning! One of the nicest bikes I've seen to date.

Sorry, i misunderstood regarding the first part. I thought you were annoyed at the fact that people who weren't on the list were butting in. But anyway, this started off with good intentions but has ended in something ridiculous, it's turned into 'pass this frame along for postage costs' to 'wtf england get yourself organized, it's not my job to organize you, you pay to get it in the country, if it breaks blame the guy who broke it, if you brake it you have to go and fix it, make me a video, review it' becuase it wasn't organized at all, hell this topic was 2 months in befor you even thought to see how much it would cost to post. Also, you keep saying england is the only place that is having problems, has one of your frames gone over seas yet?

Three times more, you'll be hearing issues soon enough. What, so if there's someone not on the list who has an idea on how to do this, they should just keep quiet because they have nothing to do with it?! You find out how much it's going to cost to send the frame to the first precipitant inc all fees and taxes. That fee will then be split up amongst all the riders. Becuase they have paid this amount, if they do not receive the frame in good working order, or if they do not receive the frame at all, they should be entitled to that money back, and will not have to pay for the frame to be shipped onwards. Basically, if they don't get the chance to ride the frame for a month, they don't pay a penny. You need to write that up in a document which will be emailed out, and then printed and signed and then posted back to you. This way, not only do you have everything written out so there's no argument, but it shows that the riders are serious enough, someone who can't print out a document, sign it and post it to you arn't going to be able to look after your frame. So it has two positives. Then once all that is complete, send the frame out and go. If you want to add into the signed document that (for example) you strip a thread, then that person has to repair it, or pay to repair it then that's up to you. But by doing that a lot of people won't want to participate becuase they won't want to have to pay for their mistakes. I personally would avoid that option and think you should be responsible for refunding peoples original share of the shipping fee if problems occurs. Besides the more people the frame makes it through the less you'll have to refund in the event of something going wrong. And if you truly believe in the quality build of the frame, you shouldn't have to refund any money at all. So that way each person would be paying about £10 shipping (which you could make them pay for, or get £10 for each person when getting the initial shipping shared fee and set it up yourself) plus the shared initial shipping fee which would total what each rider is paying to maybe £25 which is a much reasonable figure. Now onto the riders themselves, you made a very hasty list, it wouldn't hurt to actually phone these people and chat with them, as if one of these riders 'looses' your frame, you going to have to refund all the other guys. I think that's pretty much everything, also another thing I've noticed is you tend to say "you'll all have to sort it out" well getting 12 people spread across the country to sort this out isn't going to happen, you're the one who's going to have to sort it all out.

You started out as you coming on with a positive attitude, offering people to test a frame for a small amount of money to send the frame on. Now it's like your attacking us, calling us children. I don't think there's been one childish post in here. People really do want to see this work, i want to see it work, but you have the attitude that we should be doing you a favor becuase your giving us the opportunity to test the frame. This isn't the case. To unbuild a bike, ride it (carefully so not to brake it), make videos, then unbuild it to build your own bike back up, package the frame up and then use your own money to send then frame on is a lot of work just to test out a frame. My advice is, drop the attitude, come down from the cloud. The sit down and plan this out properly, find out all the costs, consider every scenario, what'll happen if someone stips a thread, how will you make sure the frame will be sent correctly insured etc etc. You said yourself if a frame breaks (say a thread get's stripped) you'd expect whoever did it to go repair it out of the goodness of their heart, that isn't going to happen. If that's what you want to happen you're going to have to get everyone to sign a contact saying that that is what they'll do. Then when that's written up 100% post it up here and see what people have to say. Most people who have joined up will back out becuase they won't want to commit them selfs to paying extra money if they make a mistake, but there'll be plenty of other riders to take their place i presume. Like i said i still wish you the best of luck. Just out of curiosity, how did you sort out postage costs the Australia? How much did each person end up paying?

I've just read this whole topic! My eyes hurt. Anyway, i'm a frequent flyer back and forth from the UK and USA. I'd be happy to take one or two frames across. The only problem is i won't be going home for a few months. But anyway, just jot down my email address, jonathantrillo@gmail.com, and fire me an email a couple of weeks before you intend to ship out the frame(s) to or from the uk at any time just to check i aren't about to get on a plane. Chances are i won't be traveling at that time, but for the sake of sending an email to save $200 it won't hurt. As I was reading the thread I was thinking to myself all the way though 'this is going to cost stupid amount of money to post'. I'm glad to see it's being resolved! Dividing up the cost of shipping to the uk amongst the riders is a good idea, but you've got to plan ahead for all the thing that go wrong, for example if the frame breaks on the first rider, you will have to refund the rest of the guys who never got chance to ride it. Also, it seemed like you didn't take into account of the cost to send it back to you? It's a very risky thing your doing, there's sooo much that can go wrong, and it will be at your expense, i me personally i don't think it'll pay off, especially with no arrangements to send frames to the UK afterwards it seems like a big waste of money to promote the frame in a country where it probably won't be sold. But massive luck to you and i hope it all pays off!

There's nothing worse than a shop that brings it's website out before it's ready. It's a total mess and you've pretty much lost the respect of the members of trials-forum (a big chunk of the UK market) by what you've said on here, and the way you've said it. You can't mess about when opening a store that'll sell trials products in this day and age. 4 years ago you could have gotten away with it, but with the opening of tartybikes and selectbikes you have massive competition (which has shown with the recent closure of 2 trials shops) you're going to struggle with a good reputation, let alone the one you have now.

Nope.

Probably, but stores don't tend to beat ebay prices like this http://cgi.ebay.com/FOR-HDTV-4-PIN-S-VIDEO...:1|293:1|294:50 Which is what i think i'll go for as i don't need to go buy 2 septate cables.

I'm not i don't think. I as just asking for the video only, the laptop has an s-video port and the tv has an s-video port too. It also has the yellow jack input as well, so i was just asking which would be best to go with (video only) but i'm guessing it doesn't make a difference?

Oh, ok. Didn't read that properly. So I've got the choice of the jack, or an s-video port (int he back of our tv) which should i go for, or doesn't it matter? Like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLD-15Ft-S-Video-S-VH...:0|293:1|294:50 Or http://images.marketplaceadvisor.channelad...AUD8_2_it_L.jpg Would that one do the full monty?

Well you're in a situation that you shouldn't be in, so there's no real answer to that question. You both love each other, so there shouldn't be any reasons to break up - unless you fall out of love with each other.

So sound will travel through the s-video port as well as the picture?

Round 2. FIGHT So i've given up on my laptop and i've moved onto the wifes. She has an s-video port. So what cables do i need to get picture and sound from that onto a tv?

Well it was 'put up or shut up'. Ideally we would have all liked to have seen him get his act together and run a decent store. But I'd rather see it closed than pissing people about any day.

When these tires were sold i'm sure everyone said they were shit, comparing them to onza's sticky fingers. But now they're not sold anymore obviously everyone wants them, so what i'd do it put them on ebay and have a bidding war. I sold a pair of old zoo pads at 3 times their rrp and an armourdillo for nearly twice as much as their rrp just becuase you couldn't buy them anymore.

'Could have'.

The 5 people though, they could have f**ked up their organs because they drank too much, were overweight etc etc.

But we're allowed one Homer right?

I think we need a theme for each late night.

Turns out i did get banned for that first day. I just didn't goto post anything. Wiping off all 60% of my should make up for it.