omgnoseat Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) Right, so I've decided to get a new frame after finding a crack in my monty 221PR.I have never bought a standalone frame, so I have alot of questions.I mainly ride street, so I'm going for a stronger deng frame this time. I very much enjoyed the geo of my monty, so I want to something as close to my monty geo as possible.The czar mod frame seems to be the most similiar to the monty geo:monty:Wheelbase: 1000mmChainstay Length: 362mmBB Rise: 50mmHead Angle: 72 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 605mm (23.75")czar:Wheelbase: Short 1005mm, Long 1025mmChainstay Length: 362mmBB Rise: 50mmHead Angle: 71.5 degreesCentre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 595mm (23.5")Pretty reasonable price at tartybikes aswell.I'm wondering how the slight differences in geo will affect the feeling of the bike?I'm a big fan of bunnyhops so I want to keep the front end easy to pull up.Will the difference in wheelbase and headangle make a big difference?If so, is there any way to compliment this?I also want to get a new stem, which one do you prefer to simulate the monty geo? I looked at the trialtech sport forged stem, but all the dimensions are too difficult for me to understand Another point:Being the poor b*****d I am, all the parts on my monty are original and never replaced. Will the parts be compatable with the czar frame?I'm mainly worried about the BB, headset/fork and wheels. I know monty uses a different wheel spacing, so I'm afraid that won't work out =/I would appreciate it if someone could clear this up for me.Thanks in advance Edited May 8, 2009 by omgnoseat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Echo Lite short is what I'd recommend.Basically you'll find the Czar a bit shorter than the Monty due to the slacker head tube angle.This should make bunnyhops easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) Echo Lite short is what I'd recommend.Basically you'll find the Czar a bit shorter than the Monty due to the slacker head tube angle.This should make bunnyhops easier.Hmm even shorter, thought that the longer wheelbase would compliment the slack head angle...I´ve had a look at the echo lite, but they don´t sell it in a short version in all the shops i´ve checked, and I prefer the look of the czar aswell to be honestIs there any way to resolve the shorter feeling on it?I have no experience in all of this, so excuse the stupid questions.EDITOk found another optionhttp://www.trialsolution.be/product_info.p...products_id=120Very tempting since it's very cheap and I could even pick it up.ZHI-ZM2Wheelbase: 1005Chainstay: 353Head angle:72only difference are the chainstays here.. but it's quite a big difference.How would that effect the feeling of the bike? Edited March 26, 2009 by omgnoseat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Centre of BB shell to top centre of head tube: 605mm (23.75")That's what you should look at, it'll tell you how long the bike will feel regardless the head tube angle or wheelbase.Can't help with the 350mm chainstays though, never rode such short ones.GU LE perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Zhi Z3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuuuuuuuu leeeeeeeee Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 if you want something exactly same as monty get another one echo lites ride realy nice but chainstays seem to snapzhi zm3s :$ mates got one i love itczar short amazing go for czar imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 thanks alot for the reply's I won't get another monty, Don't think it will last on me, and want to try something different.Still wondering if anyone could tell me about the feeling on the zhi zm2? It's a great offer for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 I love short chainstays, usually have them between 350 and 355, and I love how easily the bike just sits on the back wheel. I'd say go for the Zhi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 I love short chainstays, usually have them between 350 and 355, and I love how easily the bike just sits on the back wheel. I'd say go for the Zhi!Hmm but how does this effect the feeling on the front end, must be harder to pull it up right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Trials 31 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 If you can find a Z3, they are based on Monty geo. Just would have to run a rear maggie instead of a disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 If you can find a Z3, they are based on Monty geo. Just would have to run a rear maggie instead of a disc.I´ve noticed that too, but I got a very good offer for a zm2, so I´m still wondering how that will ride compared to the monty.Thanks anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuuuuuuuu leeeeeeeee Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 go for something different higher bb hight longer reach you will find it sits on the back wheel nicelyjust dont get on 08 tp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 go for something different higher bb hight longer reach you will find it sits on the back wheel nicelyjust dont get on 08 tp I've already stated that I want something similiar to the monty, and still wondering if the zhi zm2 is anything like it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Trials 31 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I've ridden a Zm2 and it's alright. But doens't necessarily ride like a Monty. It's a good ride though. My biggest beef with it is the lack of bashplate. but not that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyb Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I have a ZM2 and its great, short chainstays are great, although im not sure how reliable those measurements are. They ride reall nicely and are easy on the back wheel and pretty good to front too.I would go for it, they are also a hell of a lot stronger then a monty.andy b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Right, I´m ordering an echo lite frame as suggested. It´s the 07 version though, would have rather had the 08 but that one is too expensive.The geo is exactly the same as the monty, but it has 60mm bb rise instead of 50. How much would this influence the abillity to lift up the front?Could I "undo" this change by running a spacer on under the stem?Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Why would you want to combat the higher BB? I find the higher bb the better it rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Why would you want to combat the higher BB? I find the higher bb the better it rides.I'm a bunnyhop lover, and I'm afraid that the higher BB will make it more difficult to bunnyhop.I guess I'm a little paranoid for the change in frame geo Riding has been going very well lately and I'm afraid that I will lose my feeling for some moves when I change my current geo from the monty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgnoseat Posted May 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Right I´ve got my echo lite frame for a while, selling my monty pr tomorrow so it´s time for some new parts Already decided on everything except the wheelset.I have to decide between a try-all wheelset:http://www.rideactive.com/shop/product_inf...products_id=344or an echo wheelset:http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?pr...;category_id=61+http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?pr...;category_id=61 Theyre the same price.What would you recon I should do?The try-all is probably lighter, but I don't know how long they would last.Opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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