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Q’s & A’s to above points. Customers are more inclined to buy complete Mod Bikes than Stock, so no plans as yet to produce complete 26” We have no pre conceived thoughts on the quality of the V brakes, we are familiar with the other components used in the full builds and they are of better or equal quality than is normally used on a Bike in this price range. Still working out the pricing on the more expensive Mod, the frame used in that build will be available separately, and so will the lower priced version, but not immediately. The initial projected retail price for the V brake model is £460, they will be available from regional retailers, (some have pre-ordered), in about a month. ZHI are improving the stem fitted, we have decided to wait until the improved version is available. All in all we feel the price is extreamly competitive, with wide drilled rims and aluminium components fitted where many utilise steel. Comments welcome.

Hi Anthony, Please see below; QUOTE Will you and or Tyke Trial, if you wish to run a round of the british biketrial championship:- QUOTE 1. Remove the six gear rule A. I am not in favour of the 6 speed rule. Prior and during our “troubles” I have asked both the EBU and the BIU if the rule may be amended for the U.K. championships, but both organisations have insisted that we retain the rule. If I can be shown authorisation from either the BIU or the EBU I would be happy to see the rule scrapped, if they refuse to authorise an amendment how can the rule be omitted? QUOTE 2. Charge £15 entry fee A. As long as organising clubs are not left out of pocket I would agree. I would prefer a per rider levy rather than a flat fee. My Blackpool event would possibly run at a loss at £15, but as I have said before – it’s a special case, not just a hill side, there are extraordinary expenses for that venue. QUOTE 3. Pay a fee which enables championship awards ,team kit and organisational running expenses to be covered A: The levy proposed, (or proportional lump sum), would cover the above. QUOTE 4. Run under a democratic organisation A. Yes, as long as the organisation was self governing with full autonomy over its own sporting activity. QUOTE 5. Run under rules which respect the riders right of appeal,which are consistant and fair to all A: Yes, I believe that in the event of a dispute the rider may appeal to the EBU or BIU. QUOTE 6. Run under an organisation which enables officials and marshals to be protected A. How else, whether we join forces or not our riders and officials will enjoy more than adequate protection. QUOTE 7. Are you willing to be involved in a process which selects suitable rounds by consensus A. In my efforts to forge a compromise I have never questioned which rounds your group would offer to the collective activity. I feel the suggestions I made were practical from a logistical standpoint. Obviously venue selection will have to be discussed. QUOTE 8. Are you willing to work together for the good of the sport, not split off and disrupt a perfectly good series or organisation I honestly believe that that I have always worked unselfishly for the good of the sport. I will not accept control from an outside organisation. Those that have been involved in BikeTrial for many years know the sport best, they are the best ones to service it. QUOTE This is why we have a strategic benevolent alliance with the ACU , it backs us up with everything we need to run a safe ,fair and protected sport. That is your choice. The service provided by the ACU is not unique; it is available elsewhere without the influence that the ACU appears to wish to apply. As I have said to you on the telephone, migration by riders under your administration to our events is easy. I made it clear that the door of opportunity was wide open. Whether we work together or not some riders will ride in both series, fully insured, through sections, losing marks that will be recorded. The only hiccup is the six speed rule – If you can demonstrate that Hiro and Libor are happy to accept an amendment in the U.K. then there is nothing stopping a combined series. Best regards, Fred.

Replies inserted below, Fred. QUOTE(NSE @ Apr 6 2007, 09:18 AM) Hi Matt, two points; 1) Please point out the exact comments in my letter that are not fact. 2) Define National, just because the ACU denied riders the opportunity of a combined championship it does not stop the series I am involved in from enjoying National status. Fred. Edit. On reflection I felt I should reply to your comments about the Exeter indoor; Biketrial U.K. objected on two counts. The original format mixed BIU and UCI rules. The BIU and EBU will not permit events that mix federations rules. As the organisers were BikeTrial U.K. members they were required to run under BIU rules. The event was advertised as a British cup without consulting the committee. The general consensus of opinion was that the event should not enjoy that status until its second year of running, and only if it met the required criteria. Matt/Phil?, (with ref. to mixed rules), your group now flies the flag for the BIU and the EBU. You will be obliged to behave similarly in the future, unless of course you intend to ignore the constitution to which you should now adhere. I am not sure, (I’ll read your post again), that you have directly answered my questions. Hi Everyone. Phil Tupman here. WOW sorry for not being sat down at the computer all day but Matt and I have been out cutting and clearing for West Of Englands first event of the year at Bottor Rock Farm, on Easter Monday, amazing you don't ride at a venue for 6 months and all hell breaks loose up there (a bit like this thread really!) I have loads to answer, so appologize if I miss anything, this could be a long reply!!! 1. The ACU has NOT 'Seized control of BikeTrial UK' as well you know, we are an independently run committee, as you know from speaking to Anthony Rew, they in NO WAY 'Dictate our sporting future within the BIU'. Unfortunatley you spoke to Anthony and ignored his requests to put your demands into writing so I can only answer the questions you raise from discussions I have had with Anthony, (That's at least twice a day if anyone was wondering) Each time I raised a point with Anthony he stated that he would have to consult with Gary Thompson of the ACU before he could give me a decision. This indicated to me that Thompson had the ultimate authority, so I turned him in an effort to find common ground, without success. You demanded that neither NBTC nor Tyke Trials should use ACU insurance cover, you demanded that neither club should pay the £250 levy that clubs are being asked to put towards the running of the sport, (last year clubs paid over £500 to biketrial uk per British Championship round) If the Championship was to be run by two organisations, both building for the future, why would one organisation demand fees from the other? When we offered to share our events we made no reciprocal demand. I felt it correct for you to plough your funds back into your organisation, and would do likewise, but your organisation wanted our contingency fun as well as their own. You have your overheads and we have ours, we did not ask for financial help with our events that were to be included in a combined series. you demanded that in your events run the 6 speed rule, In fact the EBU and the BIU have demanded that the British Championship applies the six speed rule. Please publish any correspondence from either organisation that says the rule may be ignored. you refused to offer Blackpool moonrocks as one of the venues that you would run as part of an 'Official Championship' That was after all our prerogative, but I have explained to Anthony and S. Matthews, (who is supposed to finding a compromise on behalf of the EBU), that any event used in a combined series will come under close scrutiny. Blackpool has proved difficult to administer to. With that in mind and in an effort to make the event as appealing as possible to as many riders as possible it may be run slightly different to the main series with modified rules, AS IT WILL BE. Having offered shared events you wanted to pick and choose. and you wanted to charge £20 per entry, so you wished to run half of the proposed series, but pay nothing towards the running of the sport, a bit hippocritical if you ask me, wanted different rules for your rounds, a bit confusing for riders. We wanted BIU rules, as you should. £20 entry fee, (I think I remember), was one of the few things agreed at the January meeting. 2 Where will it all end if we run a Championship under so many differing rules/insurers/costs? It will end with two championships, that’s obvious. The group I work with has access to good venues, skilled organisers and the respect of many in the world of Trials. We made a genuine offer of compromise to your group; but too many unacceptable conditions were applied. You only went to the ACU when you didn't get the answer you wanted out of Anthony Rew after the things that have been said and about the ACU are you realy surprised they refered you back to the Chair of Biketrial UK? I was not referred else where, I was given a clear answer. THE ACU WILL NOT TOLLERATE ANY OTHER ORGANISATIONS CONTRIBUTION TO ITS CHAMPIONSHIP. JOIN THEM OR MAKE YOUR OWN ARRANGEMENTS. 3. The ACU missled you as to cover, I'm a little confused, only the other day Barbara was saying it's the same master insurer, the ACU insurance is just about as good as it gets. Barbara will answer this point in a few days. 4. Just how has the ACU denied riders the 'Opportunity of a combined series' all you have to do is hold just 2 rounds under the above listed requirements, I believe that trying to state your Championship as a National will only add to the confusion, you only have to read all that's gone on today to see that, secondly as you stated you refused to let Andrei run as a National, When you pointed out the error of Andrei's thinking re UCI BIU rules for Yellow route he realised his mistake and was big enough to admit that and ran under FULL BIU rules, he still didn't get to run his HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL trial as a Championship though. I agree the event went well, although not all rules were followed, in fact one aspect included in BIU rules on the grounds of safety was ignored. Having said that I would have had no objection to the event enjoying National status in the future having considered the first effort. Maybe the committee of BikleTrial Uk would offer the same thing to yourselves, what's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. Lastly we fully understand that we fly the flag of both BIU and EBU and have NO INTENTION of ignoring the fact. Fine, please make sure you run to the rules, so as those competing in International events find similar rules apply when they attend. Back to Freds Post. QUOTE Hi Jake, in fact I am still waiting on an answer to that very question. All through this affair I have tried to remain constructive and continue to do so. I think it will be a sad day for U.K. riders if the ACU decide to ignore riders of obvious quality purely because they did not hold an ACU licence. In a fair world all riders that show competitive potential should be considered by those with the power to select . So Fred all you need to do is agree to the request I listed earlier, That is if as you say you truly wish to remain 'constructive' Still I fail to understand why you keep on banging on about the ACU 'ignoring riders of obvious quality' the British Championship will be there for them if they wish to ride in it and not only that it will cost them less to boot! Banging on? Don’t get your point. My point is will your organisation ignore riders of obvious quality if they have not held an ACU licence and not competed in your events, or will you take a broad view and consider all those that apply to compete in the WBC. Back to Fred QUOTE ''The confusion lies due to Fred Savage being voted off as BIU delegate due to various very meaning reasons" List the reasons Phil. Do you really want me to Fred?? So far I have fallen victim to a number false claims and accusations. It has been stated that I was at meetings I did not attend, I’ve been accused of inappropriate behaviour over UCI team selection, (with emails sent to UCI head office about me), so a few more won’t do any harm. It’s polite of you to give me an option, it avoids unnecessary confrontational activity. Please make a list; send me a hard copy by registered post. I will post it on the Forum unedited if the points raised are relevant or true. QUOTE Fred, will your British Championship allow the rider to obtain a BIU ranking and allow them to be eligable for world rounds? Sorry I know it's not one of Freds questions but NO the NBTC Championship will not allow a rider to obtain BIU ranking of World Rounds unless as the committee of BikeTrial UK truly hope and that NBTC and Tyke Trials come back into the fold, even 'If' just for the British Championship. This point is covered above. At this moment in time we have many people about to attend our Trial at Bracken Rocks. The event is fully insured. Those attending do not need a licence so all are welcome. Please pay special attention ALL ARE WELCOME. That means if a rider hold s an ACU licence a BIU licence or no licence at all they can come and compete. The only grey area between OUR events and YOURS is a minor difference in the rules, which I CAN amend. THE OFFER IS STILL THERE PHIL, CALL ME, SAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE BRACKEN ROCKS IN A COMBINED CHAMPIONSHIP – IT CAN BE DONE. Fred.

Do me a favour Phil and keep my name out of your argument with Wayne. No doubt Wayne has got his information from reading the minutes of meetings - certainly not from me, I can fight my own corner without Wayne’s help, and his comments are independent. Of course it begs the question are yours? You have chosen to include my name in your posts, making vague accusations which you cannot substantiate. The record books show that I have worked hard for Trials in the U.K. in a positive fashion, incidentally I cannot remember one positive organisational role that you have played, my integrity has never been in doubt, has yours? I would still be interested to read Matt Tupmans reply to "Rugbyman". Fred.

At last I have my shipping costs sorted; I'll work out a price structure over the weekend. Unlike some other budget end complete Bikes the ZHI will carry good quality bars, stem, rims etc, the forks are aluminium. The V brake bike lends its self to an easy hs33 upgrade at the rear as the V's are on adaptors, the front forks can take hs33's or disc.

Hi Jake, in fact I am still waiting on an answer to that very question. All through this affair I have tried to remain constructive and continue to do so. I think it will be a sad day for U.K. riders if the ACU decide to ignore riders of obvious quality purely because they did not hold an ACU licence. In a fair world all riders that show competitive potential should be considered by those with the power to select. Fred.

Hi Matt, two points; 1) Please point out the exact comments in my letter that are not fact. 2) Define National, just because the ACU denied riders the opportunity of a combined championship it does not stop the series I am involved in from enjoying National status. Fred. Edit. On reflection I felt I should reply to your comments about the Exeter indoor; Biketrial U.K. objected on two counts. The original format mixed BIU and UCI rules. The BIU and EBU will not permit events that mix federations rules. As the organisers were BikeTrial U.K. members they were required to run under BIU rules. The event was advertised as a British cup without consulting the committee. The general consensus of opinion was that the event should not enjoy that status until its second year of running, and only if it met the required criteria. Matt/Phil?, (with ref. to mixed rules), your group now flies the flag for the BIU and the EBU. You will be obliged to behave similarly in the future, unless of course you intend to ignore the constitution to which you should now adhere.

Many comp riders will have received my letter by now – it’s factual. What we have now is one group operating predominantly in the Southern quarter of the country and one group operating in the remaining ¾. As a sponsor I will urge my supported riders to attend both series. One series has greater national coverage; the other is currently recognised by the EBU – so what? Eventually the EBU may wake up to reality of the situation here. To me an event is an event, as long as the riders enjoy it that’s O.K. The ACU do not want to cooperate with those that refuse to join their clubs, hold their licences, buy their permits – it’s their loss, they could have shared some great venues organised by experienced people. If Bracken rocks is accessible to you then enter, it will be a good event. Then visit Hook Woods, that’s a good venue. In the end the best comp riders will win what ever events they attend, those looking for days ridding will have their day out to. It’s interesting that the negative remarks come from one side in this whole affair, go here – don’t go there, take your choice, I say do both, one or nothing its up to you. It’s a sad phase, but it will pass. Fred.

We have been working together with our friend Tim from Trialsin.com to produce an affordable complete bike. Value for money has been our focus. Both Bikes pictured below should be reaching retailers in the near future, prices to be announced, comments welcome.

I'm waiting for the factory to confirm the price before I put a tag on it. As this is a new frame and needs exposure I'm thinking of putting out an initial number at a reduced price to get them out there in front of the public.

I hesitate when it come to using the word "lies", but that is what is written above. Only two online shops sell ZHI in the U.K. No frames have broken. No shop would have given a customer such condemning false information. Contradict me with some facts.

BikeTrial U.K. keeps its members informed of events and important meetings through its web site, which the public may visit. Invitations for their annual meeting were sent out months ago, one to the father of an individual that posted above, who happens to be minded by the person that started the thread. How did this news escape them? Often important events, if considered of interest to TF visitors, are announced in the NEWS section, I do not see any other sporting organisations troubling to do this. Fred. (Got my letter – replied to my letter – going to the meeting).

Sorry for the delay, this should have been sorted sooner, I was so busy over the Christmas period it just seem to escape being finalised. I thought there would have been a greater selection of photographs posted from this event, if there any more please get them up. I have my favourites so far, the original plan was to have a poll, shall I pick one? Fred.

Biased or not - she is currently leading the competition!

To enter our photo comp, post you Exeter comp pics here.

In case you miss it on the main forum. YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS

Depends what the public chooses, put it on my desk top, hang it in the loo, throw darts at it - who knows. Used to do a few little comps like this on section7 back in the day, just got out of the habit, seems like fun thats all. Fred.

Going to the Exeter indoor comp? Taking a camera? Why not enter our competition. Post your best action shots in the Forums Riding Pics area, best if it was collectively under one heading, the first one to post there can start the thread off. I will pick the 10 I like the most and start a new thread with a poll so Forum users can pick the one they like best. Winner gets a £25 voucher or 10% off any single purchase, (which ever is the greater), from our Trialsman shop. Get snapping. Fred.

Plazmatic brake pads have been in short supply for some months. Fortunately we have just received our first shipment since June, containing good quantities of all products. Plazmatic are available from ALL of the retailers displaying banners on the forum, so take your pick.

Any day now a truck should rumble up to deliver the ZHI 26 “ frames, to add to the anticipation I have just been sent a sneak preview of their next 20” project, a Mod frame, aimed at comp riders, with an aggressive bash plate design. Excuse the quality of the photographs, its early days, the finished item should be available in January. [attachmentid=7991]

--> QUOTE(danny B @ Nov 3 2006, 05:53 PM) ←tarty's ribos are where it is i tell thee lol I agree they are a good shoe, but its possible to get drips in them.

Well, I suppose I could have asked a third party to post about the shoes and escaped the advertising accusations, as some do, or put it in news. I already pay for two banners to support YOUR forum, because I think it’s a good thing, and to promote my business. Sorry but I can’t see a big problem with letting the Trials community know that a popular product that I import sold under a trade mark that I own in the U.K. is once again available. As for the bars, they are TRY ALL 31.8 centre, available in flat and riser, in Silver Black and Black Chrome. Tartybikes has some black ones, Trialsman has the complete range, oops, sorry, advertised two companies now. Fred.

It’s been some time since we have had a delivery of RIBO™ CASAS shoes, but fortunately they are back in stock. The instep strap has been repositioned to accommodate those with a broader foot. The CASAS is a great all year round shoe offering good support, retailing at £72.50. NSE.