i am running a onza hog rim at the moment...but i will be upgrading to a echo or a tryal no tar not sure weather to get a grind or not(light or medium) thanks ive had red pads on CNC backings and are AMAZING. i wont change to any pad. when i first got them they had plenty off meat on them but due to my frame and hub the pads would touch the rim even when i had the brake set out the furthest. so i took an angle grinder to the pad (sorry heatsink, i really didnt want to ) and shaved half of the pad off. now after 1 month, they have still got plenty of life left in them even though i shaved nearly more then half the pad off! best of all, the refills only cost £8!!! how much are the refills for the green pads(...or are red the same..) and how and where do i get them refilled thanks ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ sorry i f the above confused you but the middle paragragh was by same one else(not me) sorry