somberlaine

you are good, but please take some air out of your tyres!!! - you'd seem smoother then. plus you might end up like me with a screwed elbow problem which will never go away.

I give this guy maximum respect for what he does; constantly pushing himself like that. But it really is just a matter of time until he has an accident and at those speeds and those heights it's going to hurt big time. Especially without a helmet. If he can still ride after that he'll probably tone it down ALOT. That said, it was a good video and he is a v.good rider! If you saw him do some of that stuff whilst you were out trialsing in town you'd go, "Woooooooaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude".

Thanks for all the reply's. It's hard to feel exactly where the pain is coming from. As I type this, it's a dull ache with interspersed shooting pains - fun! If it is tennis elbow do I just have to rest then? If I rest I can't ride so I am thinking about just riding, and putting up with the pain - the pain only comes when I'm not warmed up. Do any of you reckon I migh submit myself to long term damage? What would a cortisone shot do?

OK, so basically half way through the summer of 2006 I started to get a shooting pain in my left elbow. It would hurt as soon as I got on to my bike, then eased as I warmed up and then got worse after riding, once I had cooled down. Basically its a pain I get from putting my elbow under load. It doesn't hurt too much whilst under load (apart from the odd shooting pain), but then aches alot after use. I still managed to ride a couple more months like that for summer 2006. I stopped riding at the end of summer 2006 and started again in summer 2007. Sure enough after about a months regular riding the pain came back. I rode the whole summer like it. I didn't ride for winter 2007 but during that winter, occasionally I would get a shooting pain or if I flexed my left arm, or lifted something. Then it kind of went. Low and behold the weather is turning nice this year and i wanted to ride this summer too. I went out last week. Rode twice, and now the pain is back. I don't want to bugger up my arm long term but I'm extremely annoyed - hard to convey how annoyed without alot of swearing. Plus I wanted to get a new bike etc... but there's no point in that if I can't even ride. The pain feels like a sharp shooting pain, or as if someone has taken a razor blade to the tendon on the inside of my elbow. (It really does hurt!) My guess is tendonitis. If it is this, then apparently that can take up to 3 years to recover. I have bought some Ibuprofen to see if that will help and I also do a thorough warm up before riding. But it doesn't seem to help much, if at all. I will go to the doctors but I don't see that there is much they can do and just wanted to see if any of you lot have had a similar experience and if there is anything I can do to help it. Please help me, trials-forum! Thanks, Michael

OK that's great - I wasn't looking for loads off, just trying to save some pennies at least. Thanks for the info, Adam.

Thanks Ravemonkey and Joe. I get the impression you are taking offense, Joe. Obviously everyone is eligible for a discount. But I think you will find it hard to get a significant discount if you are spending £5 in a shop, rather than £5,000. The more you are spending, the more leverage you have. I haven't come in here just to say, 'look at me I'm spening some money' and obviously I wasn't saying that I am special, I deserve discount over everyone else.

Hello, I'll keep this short and simple - I'm looking to spend about £1,800 on a bike and would ideally like some sort of discount because it's a lot of money. So I need a list of places where it's possible to buy trials bikes so that I can go and ask them all individually. I know of only tarty bikes and selectbikes.com. Any others? Cheers,

Had my V8'a for over 11 years now (that's right, 11). However it wouldnt' be fair to say that they are in good condition. When I ride you don't really notice how ruined the bearings are, but if you get off the bike and try to spin them, they spin like a hub with 6 tooth engagement.....

But would you recommend an avid on the rear, over a magura, ignoring cost differences?

You also specced the rear brake as an avid v - would this be better than a magura? If rim brakes are crud on the front, won't they be just as bad on the back?

OK, so as for a front disc would the hope tarty trial not be the best one out? And nobody has mentioned king hubs, are they not robust enough for trial use? Also would an eno freewheel be as reliable as a king hub? Thanks again for the help.

This is a great help, thanks. I will look that the products you mentioned. No one seems to agree with my brake choice. Is it because they are not the best discs to get, or because avid ultimates and maguras are better?

Thanks for the spec help. I wanted to try and make it as pimp as possible. So here is what I had in mind. Let me know if any of it is rubbish.... Ozonys black frame Atomz black forks Hope internal headset Middle burn super pro trials black cranks white magnesium pedals maxxis tyres red steel hope skewers red chris king front hub red chris king bmx hub (with heavy duty axle)...or do i need a beefed up classic hub instead? white rims of some sort?..... black hope stem black bars 'SKF BFR" bottom bracket (it's on tartybikes) Hope tarty trial sl brakes front and rear Any bolts needed in titanium etc.. It's a money-no-object scenario really so i just want what works the best

The headangle point is a good one; I do love the front wheel moves...So yeah I pretty much decided on a black Ozonys with Atomz forks (so I kinda got both in the end!). Basically I have been riding the same frame and components for ages so have never looked at new stuff coming out each year. I have around 2.2k to spend on a trials bike and need some guidance on what spec to get. Would I need to start a new topic for this?

Yeah, from lookiing at the geometry on tarty I had the feeling that an Ozonys would be the better choice. It's just that, to me, an Atomz built up would look sooooo P.I.M.P. Going from about -20 BB rise to +35 will be interesting..

I try to ride with a natural style, but only on street stuff, am 5 foot 11 and don't go big so strength isn't really an issue. Neither is money, so don't compare price. Anyone with first hand experience on both frames would be helpful. I have been riding a pashley 26mhz for 11 years now!!!!! I need a new frame and am deciding on either the ozonys or the atomz.....help! (I tend to ride on my own so can't really try them before i buy and have never ridden any other bikes.)

I'm sorry but theres no way it's due to you having weedy arms; not eating enough protein or anything like that - it's trials riding which is mainly a back and shoulder workout. you aren't doing bicep curls down the gym. A pain in your elbow and lower bicep area = TENDONITIS. I have the same porblem and unfortunately for you it means a loooooooooooooooooong rest - you're talking a couple of months. sorry to be the bearer of bad news

Ok, thank you again to everyone who has replied. I think I have a reasonable idea of what to look for. Michael

Since this is for a enw bike I can easily buy all the different bits I need to run a freewheel. So just as a comparison, assuming you have everything needed, which is best, King or freewheel? I only ask because there's a picture of the inside of an Echo sealed bearing freewheel which has the same 72 engagement and really deep ratchets which the king doesn't have. It just looked like a more sturdy.

I have a Chris King and tried to look after it but after 6 months it died on me. I can replace the bits I need to but for the same price I could instead but a good freewheel such as the Echo Sealed Bearing, White Industries ENO andTry-All 108.9. I ride stock and am wondering if anyone has had any experience with any of these. I am mainly interested in how much abuse they can take. Thanks, Michael

It's cheap, but it's cheap for a reason and I don't think I'll be risking my neck (literally) to buy a frame with cancer. I reckon they'll snap quicker than.....snappy the snap-happy alligator.

Just checked out tarty bikes. I guess I'd want a long frame. The contenders then would be; ZHI Z1, Zoo Pitbull, Adamant A1, Echo Control, Onza Limey 2, KOT MS2, Simtra ST1, BT Rave 7.0 (pretty much all of them!)

OK, thank you very much to all who replied. That was very helpful. I pretty much only ever gap, tap, front-to-back (pigeon?) and wheel swap and certainly never manual or do standard rolling bunny hops up stuff. So would I be right in thinking that I'd want to look at frames with around 375mm-380mm chainstays; 72mm-73mm head angle; bb rise less than or equal to 20mm; wheelbase unsure. A few questions: Who or what is tgs style? How does bb rise effect the ride of a bike? How does stem rise effect the ride of a bike (that may sound like a stupid question but i've only ever ridden the same stem for 6 years now and on the few occasions in 7 years where i've ridden someone elses bike, they were using different frames so I didn't know what effect stem rise was doing to that bike in isolation) Michael

Sorry, no I meant the style that is in no way streety. So no manuals and flowy stufff. (i.e. in no way like you'd imagine a leeson rider to be) Chars, Mike

Hello, This is the another post asking for frame advice! But I don't want to ask which one to get becuse it's a pointless question. Instead I am asking how changes in certain aspects of the frames geometry effects the ride, and how the advantages and disadvantages of that change. (i.e. longer frames are easier for tapping and gapping but shorter are better for sidehops) Basically, I have been riding for about 7 years (but am only intermediate), but still have my pashely 26mhz from ages ago and have not kept up with changes in frame design. I don't ride with anyone to get advice or to try out frames with different geometry. I ride street but have a 'classic' natural style. I guess I need to consider top tube length, wheel base, stem length and rise, bb rise and anything else you think is important! If there are any websites I can go to for an answer then let me know, I have tried to research this before I came here. I have about 350 pounds to spend on the frame. Thanks in advance. Michael